Donn 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I have removed four pinns and been baging the chamber with a rubber mallet but it is not budging. Am I going to need something more solid? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnnymceldoo 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I heated my gas block up to about 500 degress F so I didnt have to bag it so hard. This will make it easier for the taking of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doerdie 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Ummm...I think that needs to be "pressed off". I do not think a mallet is going to cut the mustard here. All you will do is ruin the mallet and maybe the gas block. Someone correct me if I am wrong! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnnymceldoo 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Ummm...I think that needs to be "pressed off". I do not think a mallet is going to cut the mustard here. All you will do is ruin the mallet and maybe the gas block. Someone correct me if I am wrong! No you can beat if off. You just have to have a good hard mallet or peice of wood to hit it with. After I got it off I polished the barrel surface a little so it was easier to get off and on. Also, dont forget: heat makes metal expand. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=2457[/iurl] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 No you can beat if off. You just have to have a good hard mallet or peice of wood to hit it with HAHAHAHAH REALLY? sounds a tad extreme to me ,dude! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hartzpad 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I've heard of people having big problems trying to press off gas chambers and front sight bases on Saiga rifles. One guy said he though his press was going to turn into a weapon when something broke, but the saiga front sight base finally gave way to the 12 ton press with a loud metal shriek. It seems that Izhmash didn't want people fiddling with them, they are a tight fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnnymceldoo 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 No you can beat if off. You just have to have a good hard mallet or peice of wood to hit it with HAHAHAHAH REALLY? sounds a tad extreme to me ,dude! Yea? Well its either that or setup some sort of split plate base on a press or send it to a smith who will either press it off some way or beat it off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Donn 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Johnnymceldoo If I ever get the chamber off is it that the larger the port holes are the better is long as they dont split in between or can they actually be made to large? Thanks again guys for the advice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doerdie 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 (edited) Heating to 500 works if your burning a turkey at thanksgiving, but wont help in removal. It most likely will burn your gun up pretty good. If you heat everything to 500 all the metal will expand at almost the same rate, nothing will loosen up (except the oil and maybe some paint), they may actually get tighter depending on the metal compounds. In order to aid removal with heat ONE of the surfaces, in this case the gas block, needs to be heated while the other is kept at a cooler temperature. The heat has to be targeted to the area your working on. This helps on tight parts, but as for something that has been pressed on it aint gonna help very much. You can pound on it with a hammer all night long, the results will be bigger forearms and thats about it. Edited January 21, 2005 by Doerdie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 No you can beat if off. You just have to have a good hard mallet or peice of wood to hit it with HAHAHAHAH REALLY? sounds a tad extreme to me ,dude! Yea? Well its either that or setup some sort of split plate base on a press or send it to a smith who will either press it off some way or beat it off. hahahahaha johnny mac, i don't think you understood what vamp was referring to! let's put it this way, when i heard you beat it off with a good hard mallet, i was thinking "that is one tough (and horny) mofo!!!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 yeh, i hope he dont take viagra to get it that stiff.....a mallet you say.....fear for your g/f or wife..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
krom32117 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Whoa talk about hardcore S&M LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnnymceldoo 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 (edited) Heating to 500 works if your burning a turkey at thanksgiving, but wont help in removal. It most likely will burn your gun up pretty good. If you heat everything to 500 all the metal will expand at almost the same rate, nothing will loosen up (except the oil and maybe some paint), they may actually get tighter depending on the metal compounds. In order to aid removal with heat ONE of the surfaces, in this case the gas block, needs to be heated while the other is kept at a cooler temperature. The heat has to be targeted to the area your working on. This helps on tight parts, but as for something that has been pressed on it aint gonna help very much. You can pound on it with a hammer all night long, the results will be bigger forearms and thats about it. You made some good points and heat placement IS key. "Heating to 500 works if your burning a turkey at thanksgiving, but wont help in removal." I can only share what worked for me and heating it up did. I dont just make stuff up so people will try it and fail "You can pound on it with a hammer all night long, the results will be bigger forearms and thats about it." Again, I didnt use a press to get mine off and was able to carefully knock the block off once I had it heated up. Its no big deal provided you have the right tools. Some of you guys act like this thing has .01 press on it. Id guess its closer to .001-.0005....not that big of a deal. Edited January 21, 2005 by johnnymceldoo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doerdie 0 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 You can pound on it with a hammer all night long, the results will be bigger forearms and thats about it. I suppose that would have the same result? (I prefer push-ups myself) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,332 Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Doerdie's comments seem logical, but are not correct. Even when both inner and outer metals heat up at the same time, it will be easier to remove them from each other. If you don't have a press, and don't plan to buy one, you need to use a bigger hammer and/or some heat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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