MadDog 3 Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 The only problem with the Saiga 12 is while the stock is folded the empty cases will not extract most of the time. I tried both gas settings and no luck. If you open the folding stock and shoulder the weapon everything works fine. With the stock folded (or when I shoot the gun ONE HANDED yes one handed) most of the time the bolt will not come back far enough to eject the empty case. I'm guessing that it is like limp wristing a pistol. Also, firing the gun ONE HANDED is a breeze. Unlike a pump shotgun the SAIGA does not hurt your hand at all!!! I am wondering if with the folder the gun needs a slightly larger gas port or maybe I just need to break it in a little more. I was shooting Winchester 8's from Wally World. This baby needs three gas settings: Magnum, Standard, and Folded! Shouldered, I can fire five shots before the 1st case hits the ground as the action is so quick... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GTwannabe 1 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Shoot some slugs and I'll bet your failure to extract issue will go away! 00 buck should cycle fine as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Who did your conversion? My Saiga-12's from Elite function fine w/buck or slug & the stock folded. Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MadDog 3 Posted February 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Converted it myself! I'll try some SOLID STUFF! Will yours cycle with CHEAPo 12G birdshot? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman 0 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 How do you know what gas setting your on? Is number supposed to be in the 7 o clock postion or in the two o clock postion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomac 0 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Converted it myself! I'll try some SOLID STUFF! Will yours cycle with CHEAPo 12G birdshot? It cycles fine on '2' w/the light loads & the stock unfolded, haven't tried it folded w/the light loads yet. Tomac Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Why would the stock being folded have anything to do with how it cycles??? unless the bolt hits the stock ( with the charging handle..) Or does how it sits in the receiver CHANGE slightly when its folded? and cause the bolt to not retract all the way??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GTwannabe 1 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Why would the stock being folded have anything to do with how it cycles??? unless the bolt hits the stock ( with the charging handle..) Or does how it sits in the receiver CHANGE slightly when its folded? and cause the bolt to not retract all the way??? Without the stock, your arms absorb a lot of the recoil. That can cause a light load not to cycle the gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Ahhhh.... GOTCHA!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 let me preface this by saying i am NOT an expert, but just want to know. the s12 is gas operated not recoil operated, right? so that shouldn't be a factor, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MadDog 3 Posted February 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 (edited) The gun runs GREAT on your shoulder both B4 and after the conversion. It's only a problem with the stock folded and shot non-shouldered. I could not try this senario before the conversion (unless I tried it with the stock OFF the gun). I really can't see how the conversion changed anything except a mucho better trigger pull. I guess I can try polishing the hammer face because I do have a new hammer in the gun as part of the FCG replacement. I am using the same hammer spring... The bolt does not come all the way rearward. Maybe 1/2" short of a full stroke. p.s. I CAN operate the safety with the stock folded - it's just a little tight getting your finger inbetween the folded stock and the receiver. Edited February 10, 2005 by MadDog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 The problem with lightly held saiga NOT cycling is basic physics-the stroke of the piston is the same, but the reciever is moving also, this causes short cycling due to the deficency of RELATIVE motion. See that was easy! G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twinhairdryers 2 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Has anyone experimented with trimming the spring at all to help these light load eject problems? It sure would be easier than trying to get that gas block off and drilling the holes larger on the gas ports. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doerdie 0 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Thats my thought, but then would you get damage from shoulder firing? Recoil buffer take up the slack? I would get an extra spring and experiment one coil of spring at a time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KySoldier 2 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Good reply there GOB. I wouldn't go trimming the spring just yet. Try other ammo first, then I'd suggest locking the bolt back for a while (if the gun is new), and then look for alternatives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hardcorps1775 1 Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 The problem with lightly held saiga NOT cycling is basic physics-the stroke of the piston is the same, but the reciever is moving also, this causes short cycling due to the deficency of RELATIVE motion. See that was easy! G O B holy shit! i had to think about that awhile but i think i understood the physics...i feel like that fred einstein guy now! i are a jeenyus!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twinhairdryers 2 Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 I have an extra spring. Might snip a bit off and try running some of the walmart loads on #2 to see if I can get them to cycle. My problem is, I shoot Wolf slugs and they still wont eject all the time (about 3 of 5 do OK). Then I shoot high-vel mag slugs on #1 and after a couple of mags my shoulder is bleeding even with a blackjack buffer. I'm hoping for a setup to cycle everything like BVAMP claims to be able to do consistently. There are days when you want to shoot a truck in half with a few shots, and there are some when you just want to shoot a box of cheapo birdshot with ease. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.