Hammer and Trigger pins

[counter_sniper 0]

I just finished doing the conversion and i am having troulbe with the pin that hold the trigger and hammer in. They come loose when I work the action, any help would be great.

[havok 21]

You need to get a a retaining plate or a shepereds crook or some e clips from your local homedepot or lowes.

Edited April 23, 2009 by havok

[nalioth 405]

I suspect you forgot to replace something, when you put it all back together . . .

 

[gothchick 0]

Very nice diagrams.

[vintagedude88 16]

My Dinzag conversion kit came with hitch pins and e-clips. The e-clips didn't seem to work because they seem to be too small for the pin's diameter. The hitch pins worked but I question the reliability. I am wondering if I should get a shepherds crook or a retaining plate. Which is better?

[nalioth 405]

My Dinzag conversion kit came with hitch pins and e-clips. The e-clips didn't seem to work because they seem to be too small for the pin's diameter. The hitch pins worked but I question the reliability. I am wondering if I should get a shepherds crook or a retaining plate. Which is better?

Unless you plan on beating the weapon into a misshapen metal stick, the hitch pins will work fine.

 

[G O B 3,516]

I like shepards crooks, that is what Uncle Mikael used.

[corbin 621]

I have used shepards hooks and retaining plates, as well as the stock Saiga wire. The plate is my favorite because you don't need any tools to install/remove it. You need to cut a notch in your BHO though. Not hard at all.

 

 

Corbin

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

Retaining Plate... So easy/fast to remove/install.

Modify the BHO, and you can strip and reassemble the FCG in 5 minutes.

Edited April 24, 2009 by ChileRelleno

[Nailbomb 10,221]

My Dinzag conversion kit came with hitch pins and e-clips. The e-clips didn't seem to work because they seem to be too small for the pin's diameter. The hitch pins worked but I question the reliability. I am wondering if I should get a shepherds crook or a retaining plate. Which is better?

I have used both, i prefer the plate.

 

I was slow to the punch +1 to chilie

Edited April 24, 2009 by Nailbomb

[counter_sniper 0]

Thanks for all the good info!! how does the bho go back in?

Edited April 24, 2009 by counter_sniperf

[gothchick 0]

I've used the shepards crook and tapco plate. Either one works well. But if I had a choice, I'd probably go for the plate.

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

Thanks for all the good info!! how does the bho go back in?

My way...

Take a piece of 40lb test fishing line, loop it thru the BHO spring.

Drop it atop the BHO slot, long end forward/short end rearward, tight against the receiver, pull down & forward on line compressing the spring against the floor of the rcvr.

Insert FCG, insert pin thru FCG & thru BHO spring loop.

Place BHO in slot, inbetween spring/FCG.

Remove line from spring and rethread from bottom of slot, up & around short leg of spring, lift short end onto BHO.

Install hammer, insert pin thru hammer and other end of BHO.

 

You can start with the hammer first if you like.

[goldenman 1]

Thanks for all the good info!! how does the bho go back in?

My way...

Take a piece of 40lb test fishing line, loop it thru the BHO spring.

Drop it atop the BHO slot, long end forward/short end rearward, tight against the receiver, pull down & forward on line compressing the spring against the floor of the rcvr.

Insert FCG, insert pin thru FCG & thru BHO spring loop.

Place BHO in slot, inbetween spring/FCG.

Remove line from spring and rethread from bottom of slot, up & around short leg of spring, lift short end onto BHO.

Install hammer, insert pin thru hammer and other end of BHO.

 

You can start with the hammer first if you like.

Thanks for the info. nalioth the diagrams and the picture are very helpful. SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A VIDEO OF THE CONVERSION OF AN S12 AND SHOW ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS POSSIBILITIES FOR THE INTERNALS. I'm sure many newbie's would buy it, I would, so your guaranteed at least one sale.

[vintagedude88 16]

I followed Gregs video and used a needle nose plier to grab the loop and push down onto it till it meets the pin. Prior to doing so, I also bent the spring like Greg said in his video to help. I found out the hard way which side is the long side and which side is the short side when I installed the spring backwards, too much tension.

 

How I did it was I bent the long side up a bit so that it would slide more easily forward as the spring is pushed down. I then bent the short side down and towards the trigger such that it would grab the tab on the BHO lever more securely such that it would be less likely to slide off as the spring is pushed down.

 

I then grabbed it firmly with the needle nose and pushed down like in Greg's video and pushed the trigger pin in. I made the mistake of not putting the hitch pin on after this because the bends on the spring had a tendency to push the trigger pin back out. Once the hitch pin was in, it was solid. I was able to shoot mine today to test the conversion and it worked great. However, I may opt for the retaining plate like everyone said so that I wouldn't have to hassel with the hitch pins.

 

One last thing although it may be a bit off topic, I had trouble putting the bolt carrier back into the gun because it kept jamming against the hammer. I even took a Dremel to grind down about .100" off the carrier and it still didn't work. I then realized that the hammer wasn't able to push all the way down into the receiver because the forward trigger guard screw was too long and pushed against the hammer. Shortened the screw and it was back together in no time. Make sure you watch out for that. However if you're using the Tromix trigger guard that problem may not exist at all because from the looks of it, the screw goes in from the inside of the receiver onto the nutserts on the trigger guard, hence no screw problem.

Edited April 25, 2009 by FrustratedInCali

[corbin 621]

I have a Tromix TG and you're right, with the cap head screw going in from the inside of the receiver, it's not an issue. On mine though, I put a slightly longer screw in from the bottom and loctited a nut on the inside. Extremely solid and it clears the hammer just fine.

 

As for the retainer plate and slotting the BHO, that's a super simple job with a dremel. Drill a hole, then extend it to the edge to make a U-shaped slot. 5 minutes, no problem. Once it's done, you don't need tools to take everything apart or put them back together. The possible exception could be the dental floss/fishing line for the BHO spring, if you have the BHO.

 

 

Corbin