cmroles 0 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I am a new (make that "brand new") owner of a Saiga 12. I am very interested in a proper convervsion, but I'm a little daunted by the idea of cutting up my new receiver. I've already read some of the tutorials available on the web, but I still have some questions that I haven't been able to find answers to yet. I'm fairly handy with tools, but have never had any real "gunsmith" experience. I was looking at using the Tromix DIY Trigger Guard to avoid having to cut any holes in the receiver. I have a few questions and hoped that maybe someone here would impart some knowledge. If any questions in here have previously been asked then I apologize in advance.... 1. IF I use the Tromix DIY Trigger Guard will I have to cut ANY holes? 2. Assuming NO holes need to be cut, would it be possible to convert back to "Sporter" config if I ever wanted / needed too? 3. I have seen "Receiver Back-Plates" for sale for certain stocks. Are they necessary for ALL aftermarket stocks (besides tapco fake conversion)? 4. What happens to the factory Bolt Hold-Open? There is currently a little slot where the lever sticks out. Do I lose that option? 5. Does anyone (besides Tapco) make an M4 style collapsible stock that mounts in the proper AK fashion? The "stock" stock is a tad long LOP for me and feels like a reach..... Thank you for all your input on my questions! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zone1935 5 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I am a new (make that "brand new") owner of a Saiga 12. I am very interested in a proper convervsion, but I'm a little daunted by the idea of cutting up my new receiver. I've already read some of the tutorials available on the web, but I still have some questions that I haven't been able to find answers to yet. I'm fairly handy with tools, but have never had any real "gunsmith" experience. I was looking at using the Tromix DIY Trigger Guard to avoid having to cut any holes in the receiver. I have a few questions and hoped that maybe someone here would impart some knowledge. If any questions in here have previously been asked then I apologize in advance.... 1. IF I use the Tromix DIY Trigger Guard will I have to cut ANY holes? 2. Assuming NO holes need to be cut, would it be possible to convert back to "Sporter" config if I ever wanted / needed too? 3. I have seen "Receiver Back-Plates" for sale for certain stocks. Are they necessary for ALL aftermarket stocks (besides tapco fake conversion)? 4. What happens to the factory Bolt Hold-Open? There is currently a little slot where the lever sticks out. Do I lose that option? 5. Does anyone (besides Tapco) make an M4 style collapsible stock that mounts in the proper AK fashion? The "stock" stock is a tad long LOP for me and feels like a reach..... Thank you for all your input on my questions! 1. I did not have to. 2. Yes, but avoid that if you can IMO. 3. Not needed on all stocks. 4. You can keep it if you chose. 5. You can purchase an adapter for the AR buffer tube to an AK. I hope this helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) 1. IF I use the Tromix DIY Trigger Guard will I have to cut ANY holes? No. Just remove the old TG2. Assuming NO holes need to be cut, would it be possible to convert back to "Sporter" config if I ever wanted / needed too? The hardest part would be reinstalling the old TG 3. I have seen "Receiver Back-Plates" for sale for certain stocks. Are they necessary for ALL aftermarket stocks? Most folders are the "Ace" pattern that requires the 2-hole plate or block, but some bolt in just like the factory stock, including the Tapco you mention. 4. What happens to the factory Bolt Hold-Open? Some guys leave it out, some reinstall it. 5. Does anyone (besides Tapco) make an M4 style collapsible stock that mounts in the proper AK fashion? I only know of the Tapco. Edited May 15, 2009 by BobAsh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 5. Does anyone (besides Tapco) make an M4 style collapsible stock that mounts in the proper AK fashion? The "stock" stock is a tad long LOP for me and feels like a reach..... Thank you for all your input on my questions! ATI also makes a nice M-4 style stock. They can be bought in a kit with PG and AK HGs. DPH Arms may still have some in stock if you call them. Otherwise, here's what it looks like. http://www.combatstocks.com/ATI_AKStrikefo...age_AKA2300.cfm As a bonus, it also folds. My friend has one on his S-12 and it's very nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 ...ATI also makes a nice M-4 style stock. ...DPH Arms may still have some in stock if you call them. Otherwise, here's what it looks like...As a bonus, it also folds. My friend has one on his S-12 and it's very nice. Hey, for general information, will that setup work with the MD Arms Drum, installed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gkcf 8 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 It probably will if you remove the butt pad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cmroles 0 Posted May 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 4. What happens to the factory Bolt Hold-Open? Some guys leave it out, some reinstall it. Is there a disadvantage to keeping the factory BHO? I would like to retain it if possible, but not if it will cause more trouble than its worth.... Thank you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BobAsh 582 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 It's tricky to put back in, but there are some tutorials here. Also, some "tactical-oriented" guys believe that it compromises the reliabilty of the gun to some degree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raoul_Duke 113 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Also, some "tactical-oriented" guys believe that it compromises the reliabilty of the gun to some degree. Yup. There have been reports of it getting jammed in the upward position and the bolt carrier getting "locked" back and stuck unexpectedly. IMO, if you are/might use your Saiga to defend your life, this malfunction could cost you just that. On the other hand, if self defense is not a role your Saiga will/might play, then is is a non-issue. The BHO is a great feature for plinking/hunting/competition people. Although, I don't generally consider myself "tactically-oriented", the thought of my guns jamming up on me never gives me a good feeling, no matter what the situation. And if I can simply take out a part that might cause a malfunction, but that doesn't affect the rest of the functioning if the firearm, then so be it. Better safe than sorry, IMO. YMMV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
supermario 0 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 One time i was at home, just hand cycling my Saiga and the bho spring came off and my bolt got stuck and wouldnt budge. After about 10minutes of using a screwdriver, i finally got it going and put the spring back on. Was a pain in the rear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DADDY 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 5. Does anyone (besides Tapco) make an M4 style collapsible stock that mounts in the proper AK fashion? The "stock" stock is a tad long LOP for me and feels like a reach..... Vltor??? http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=24522/Product/AK_47_COLLAPSIBLE_STOCK_ADAPTER Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonking 149 Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 (edited) The BHO won't give you any problems if you re-install it correctly. A good majority of people also don't like it because they think it can allow debris to get into the receiver. It generally won't unless you live outdoors or like to bury your guns. Personally, I keep it with a mag installed and the bolt held open in case I ever need it to employ it at night. No worrying about warped shell casings that way. Just my Edit: didn't see the date on this one. that's what I get for googling, opening multiple threads, and drinking XD Edited November 9, 2010 by Salmonking Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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