vbrtrmn 167 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Story I saw at VCDL, thought I'd share. Two shot in South Richmond store http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/loca...-230802/279571/ By Reed Williams Published: July 12, 2009 A gunman who had wounded a shopkeeper and opened fire on several customers was stopped yesterday when another man shot him at the store in South Richmond, authorities said. The violent attempted robbery took place shortly after 1 p.m. at the Golden Food Market at 2701 Jefferson Davis Highway, the same store where another man was shot last month -- and only three blocks from the scene of another robbery in June that left a shopkeeper dead. Owners of as many as a dozen Jefferson Davis-area businesses flocked to the scene of the shooting, and many were rattled by such a brazen daylight attack, said Councilwoman Reva Trammell, whose 8th District includes the Jefferson Davis corridor. Trammell, who arrived outside the store shortly after yesterday's shootings, described a frenzied scene. One man told Trammell that the man who had shot the robber was a guardian angel. "Whoever did it probably saved their lives in there," Trammell said of the shooter. Police did not identify anyone involved in yesterday's shootings. The man who shot the robber is a friend of the store owner, and he was wearing a holster with a Western-style revolver, said Managing Deputy Commonwealth's Attorney Tracy Thorne-Begland. After the suspect shot the store owner and opened fire on patrons, the owner's friend shot the suspect once in the torso, took his gun and called police, Thorne-Begland said. Thorne-Begland said it appeared that the shooting of the suspect was justified, although he emphasized that the investigation was in the early stages. Police said they expect to file charges against the suspect. The store owner's injuries did not appear life-threatening, authorities said, but the gunman's injuries were said to be life-threatening. No one else was hurt. Anthony Gregory, who lives near Golden Food, said he was in the store about 15 minutes before the shootings, and that while he was there, he saw a man with a baby making a purchase. Gregory said the owner told the baby, "Welcome to the world. This is a dangerous world, so be careful. But don't worry, God will protect you." Police Cmdr. Steve Drew said officers had been patrolling up and down Jefferson Davis yesterday and recently have bolstered their presence in the area. He said it was unusual for a commercial robbery to happen so early in the day. The previous shooting at Golden Food took place late the night of June 12. And three nights earlier, a co-owner of the Come and Go Food Market, which is about three blocks north of Golden Food on Jefferson Davis, was shot and killed in a robbery. Authorities said it was too early to know whether any of the three shootings on Jefferson Davis are connected. A few hours after yesterday's shootings, Said "Sam" Messaf, the man who was shot June 12 at Golden Food, was at the store to help another man shut down the market. Messaf described how he had been helping out at the store June 12 when two robbers came inside. One man opened fire, reaching over the counter and shooting as Messaf cowered behind it, he said. Messaf was shot six times in his legs. He said he suffered nerve damage in his left leg and has trouble sleeping. Trammell said residents and business owners were scared by the recent violence but have faith that police are doing their best to stop it. "I'm still shook up," Trammell said. "I'm not afraid, but we've worked so hard on Jefferson Davis -- so hard in that area to bring crime down." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Good for him! But that does not make him a patriot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Good for him! But that does not make him a patriot. Any man who protects Americans is a patriot in my book. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VincentYGB 0 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 (edited) Any man who protects Americans is a patriot in my book. I second that opinion- he came to the defense of unarmed Americans in an intolerable life-threatening situation. I'd nominate him for a Saiga-12 Forum Medal but he exhibited restraint by shooting the perp only once; shooting fairly well, but only once. OK,OK, it's a textbook case of taking out the threat without going overboard, but I reckon some here would have made a little more certain the threat was ended. Edited July 16, 2009 by VincentYGB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Well ok. But in my book that is an armed citizen doing his civic duty. To me patriotism means much more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted July 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Follow up to the story. http://blog.vcdl.org/index.php?/archives/6...9.html#extended **************************************************************************** Exclusive: I met with the gun owner who saved lives in the Richmond Golden Market shooting last week **************************************************************************** On Friday I received a surprise call from the gun owner who has been in the press this week for saving lives at a Richmond store. The gun owner used a replica 1875 Remington Army .45 Long Colt with a 7 1/2 inch barrel to stop a criminal who had shot the store's owner. He wanted to remain anonymous, but called so that the story could be set straight, as much of what was in the press wasn't accurate. Board member Dennis O'Connor and I ended up meeting with him today (Saturday) at the Golden Market store, where the shooting had taken place one week earlier. Besides being able to actually see the layout of the store, Dennis and I got to see the security videos of the shooting! We also got to meet the store owner who had been shot twice during the hold up, but is now back at his store. More on this great man later. Here is what we know from talking to the gun owner and watching the videos: The gun owner (GO) was in the store waiting in line to pay for an item when the bad guy (BG) came in wearing dark sunglasses and trying to coverup his face while brandishing a revolver. The BG yelled for everyone to get down and before anybody could react, immediately walked over to the store owner and in a cold-blooded fashion shot him twice. The owner then dropped down behind the counter. It wasn't more than 2 seconds after the BG first walked in the doors that he shot the store owner. Those shots at the store owner missed a teenage boy's head by inches. The GO yelled for the BG to drop his gun as the GO drew his gun. The BG opened fire on the GO. The GO returned fire, hitting the BG as the GO dove hard for the floor behind some barrels full of ice and drinks. The BG ran towards the back of the store, aiming his gun at an innocent man laying prone on the floor. Luckily the BG was too distracted by the GO to shoot the man. There is no doubt in my mind that the man would have been shot in cold blood that day if it weren't for that GO returning fire. The BG kept trying to get to the front of the store by walking up various aisles and firing shots at the GO as he did so. At one point cans of tinned meat exploded on a shelf as the BG took a shot at the GO. What was bizarre was that the BG actually was strutting around like he owned the place while under fire! As he approached the front of one aisle, he again pointed a gun at a person on the ground and was about to execute him, when he was again distracted by the GO. Finally the GO spotted the BG at the front of an aisle standing in the open. Much to his surprise, the GO discovered that when he dove hard for the floor he had somehow broken the trigger on his gun! But the gun was a single action, so the GO pushing himself up with one arm, aimed the gun, pulled the hammer back and let it fly forward - twice. Although seriously wounded three times, the BG came at the GO. The BG tried to grab the GO's gun since the BG's gun was out of ammunition. A life-and-death struggle began. The GO got a grip on the BG's gun and the GO hit the BG twice hard on the temple with the 7 1/2" barrel on his rather heavy gun. The BG finally broke off the engagement, tried to run out the front door, but collapsed at the door. The GO secured the BG's gun and keeping an eye on the now unconscious bad guy, called 9-1-1. The BG has now died (he was in critical condition since the shooting). The police showed up a minute or so after the 9-1-1 call and initially had everyone in the store at gun point and handcuffed some until they could figure out who was who. What really impressed me was that on the surveillance video, the owner, while shot twice by the BG, was walking around making sure that all of his customers were OK after the shooting had ended. He only let himself collapse after he was sure they were OK! Words fail me on this. I am so glad that he made it. What a dichotomy - a BG who shoots an innocent person without provocation, almost killing a teenager while doing so - caring for no one but himself. And then the store owner who, while seriously wounded, making sure his customers were OK. Evil exists and so does Good. Both were on display in those two minutes of terror. Luckily only the bad guy was killed. The owner was walking with a limp, clearly in some pain. :-( A lot of people owe their lives to that GO. However, he is having none of it, saying that he simply did what he had to do. -- The GO wanted me to share the following points: * Buy a quality gun - don't use some cheap $90 gun to protect your life. He considered his gun to be a good one and even then the trigger broke under the extreme stress of a life-and-death battle. * Practice with your gun, get training, and be good with that gun. * More and more BGs are choosing to kill in cold blood to get what they want. If they can't live the "good life, " then they don't care if their crimes send them to jail. * He also noted that fewer and fewer BGs are getting any jail time. -- Here are my thoughts from watching that tape: * Talk about a cold-blooded, fast attack where an innocent was shot without warning! Unbelievable. Situational awareness is really important. Luck doesn't hurt, either. * Open carry was an advantage in this case because in the video I saw just how fast the GO managed to draw his gun and begin to return fire. You always hear about how open carry is so bad tactically - you'll be the first one shot, etc. Oh, yeah? The GO had a HUGE gun in plain sight and he was NOT shot. Who got shot first? An unarmed store owner. * I am betting that the BG was on drugs, big time. He was hit with THREE 45-CALIBER BULLETS, with at least two of those hits causing grievous injury, and he continued the fight as if he had not even been hit at all! In fact he was strutting like a peacock who owned the place as he was walking up and down the aisles trying to get to a position where he could shoot the GO. As a gun owner, you need to be prepared for that eventuality and keep shooting the BG in his center of mass until he stops his attack. Don't think one shot, or even two shots, are going to do it. And a head shot might well be what it takes to stop such an attack quickly. * If you are out of ammunition, a gun does make a great weapon with which to bludgeon someone in hand-to-hand combat. * This shooting bolstered both sides of the argument about how much ammunition one should carry. The good guy got off only four shots (of course his gun had a broken trigger and that didn't help). The bad guy got off six shots and ran out of ammunition (thankfully). But in my mind, and having had some advanced training, I think an extra magazine for a semi-auto, or a reloader for a revolver, is a good idea. WIth someone like the BG above, if you run out of ammunition before he does, he will execute you. Period. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scarbrough68289 76 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Thanks for posting this. I get regular updates from VirginiaCitizensDefenceLeague and I'm a member. I was going to post this, but guess I forgot. I hadn't seen the follow up. Richmond sucks! I refuse to go to Southside. Not that my side of the James is any better. I live too damn close to Fulton Hill and Church Hill. Been a lot of break ins and home invasions in the area. You never know what'll happen around here. It was the weekend of the gunshow too, could explain why he was carrying a old SA revolver replica. Never saw this on the news...wonder why??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
superA 289 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Remind me not to pause and tell the shooter to drop his gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Remind me not to pause and tell the shooter to drop his gun. +10....The fucker's going down, drop this you sumbich Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reverendfranz 160 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Well ok. But in my book that is an armed citizen doing his civic duty. To me patriotism means much more. What more, exactly, and how few patriots do you think there are? OP: excellent story, and ive shared it with everyone i know. the liberalization of carry laws may indeed bring a return to the wild west... if we are lucky. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lakedweller 10 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) I would call him a warrior and kudos to him for his actions. We throw patriot around a little too much, but he is not a pinhead. Edited July 21, 2009 by Lakedweller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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