terrys308 0 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Can we see the primers? Have you noticed any unusual brass kisses on your rifle? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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nissantech 0 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 The case is hitting the dust cover. You can put car door corner protector to try and help with the case damage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BKLYN_C 14 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) It doesnt look like AK kiss, the hit on dust cover. Not in the right place for it and dent is too deep. More likely its the bolt of bolt carrier on its recoil trip Edit: Missed the statement that its only 40% of the shells. Actually, it has to be 50%. Every single round on the left side of the magazine. Yep, it is bolt Edited October 19, 2009 by BKLYN_C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Mine used to do that when it was newer, it happens as each round is chambered, for whatever reason mine doesn't do it any more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I agree that it appears to be the bolt as well. Have you looked for brass marks on it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stansplace 414 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Mine did the same thing. There is a thread on here about a machining step that was skipped on the bolt for some of these rifles. You have to get out your trusty dremel and polish on the bottom of the bolt. The thread even has some pics. I suck at searching though, maybe Nalioth or one of the other Gurus will find it for you if you are unable to. I did mine and it is good to go. Mine was so bad that it would actually rip open some cases. It is not a big deal. Good luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JulianH 4 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yeah, mine does this too, even with steel cased ammo. I'm tempted to send it in for work for the free mag, but I don't want to be without my rifle for weeks and weeks. I think I'd rather do it myself, and just spend the $$$ on another magazine. Of course, just firing a lot of steel cased ammo should eventually polish that down... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terrys308 0 Posted October 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yes, I tool a look at the bolt face and it dose look like that is where the problem is. But How much do you need to take off? I tried to look for the link for the bolt rework but could not find it. Does anyone know where it might be or how much should be taken off? Thanks Terry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) On a Saiga .308 Winchester there is a "third" lug that contacts the cartridges. If it is not 'rounded' well, it will do this to the brass. Mine does it slightly, not overly problematic. However, I have polished the meeting part, the 3rd lug. BE VERY DISCRETIONARY on this lug as it is also used to lock into battery and is part of the strength of the rifle bolt. It has to be able to rotate and engage the lock up along with the other 2 lugs. The bolt lug meets the shell shoulder on it's way back on extraction or on the initial loading of the first round. If you have it happen on the standard 8 round magazine, check the thread on making the 8 round into a 10 round. THAT spring is the same length as some of the longer magazines that hold 20 and 25 rounds. Personally, I cut off some of the spring on my standard 8 round and it still feed wonderfully, but it is not as "tight" at the loaded end as it was before, but still has enough power to put the last bullet up in there for loading. This saves a lot of upward stress on the bullet against the 3rd lug. Perhaps this thread..... http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=34785&st=20 Showing an EXTREME example: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=31277 Edited October 21, 2009 by Darth AkSarBen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Those dents are exactly what i was seeing on my 308 before adding the molding. For that matter it was on the x39 also. Havent seen single dent since I got it worked out on both rifles. If you want to test the charging handle just wrap it with electrical tape to see if it helps, not permanent but it will tell you what you need. But given the consistency that gotta be the cover doing it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JulianH 4 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 At least in my case, it's the bolt, not the dust cover. Here's an unfired round I removed from the chamber. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JulianH 4 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 At least in my case, it's the bolt, not the dust cover. Here's an unfired round I removed from the chamber. Let's try this again... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 +1 JulianH. I was about to say just that. Put in a round in the chamber from a FULLY loaded magazine and then extract the bullet and look at it. If it's dented at the case shoulder as in your example, it's the 3rd lug. If you are getting "line" dents across the case, then it's getting hit by the dust cover. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 You are right I had forgotten completely about polishing that bolt. Must be getting old. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deussne 38 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) I usually purchase an extra dust cover for AK and take off about 1/4" from the back corner/edge of that opening on the cover, that gives you enough clearance for the spent cases to fly away without getting dented with a typical line that you get on an AK. But you only should do this if yoiu plan on saving your cases for reloading. The reason being is that now the cases fly all over and behind 4 and 5 O'clock you when you fire, where they would normally go to your 1 to 3 O'clock. Good advice on polishing the lug. I wish I saw the two threads that you posted (AKsarben) that would have saved me an hour worth of investigating lol. Edited October 26, 2009 by Deussne Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darth AkSarBen 20 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Case denting that is perpendicular to the case, especially if it looks like a small line, is usually the result of the force of ejection against a thin hard surface, IE, the edge of the dust cover. Cases that are pushed in at the neck line in a concentrated fashion, as in the picture well illustrated above, are from some other force other than the dust cover. I have 0 incidences of case denting...... now. I reload and the cases come out pretty nice. Used a car door guard I got at Auto Zone. A 1.250" strip on the dust cover at the top opening, near the start of the slant downward is all it takes. Blends in well if done right. No more dings on the brass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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