BolivianAK 2 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 So I just picked up my first Saiga 12 today (unconverted). What should I do now? I figured I would run about 200 rounds through it and document how it holds up. 100 rounds of Federal bulk from Walmart as well as various other slugs, buckshot, etc. that I can find. And then what, if it cycles 90% of the time is that good, or should I go for 100%? At what point should I convert it? I assume if I convert it, that voids the warranty, so I should make sure it is in good working order first right? Anything else I need to know? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Now what? Learn to post a thread once. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cholly_horse 3 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 if it cycles 90% of the time you could probably smooth it out yourself. If it were undergasses I assume you could just open the ports up a liiiil' bit by yourself.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BolivianAK 2 Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Now what? Learn to post a thread once. This messageboard hates me, I click the post button, and the screen never refreshes, so I assume it didn't go through, press again and nothing...then I realize I double tapped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lucas_061287 0 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Welcome aboard man! First things first- do NOT make any negative remarks/opinions about Tromix trust me on this one Second- figure out what this gun's intended purpose will be. If you plan on using it for HD/SD purposes, a conversion would be beneficial. There are countless threads floating around with people's builds as well as a picture thread stickied at the top. Search and figure out as much as possible before posting as, for the most part, this forum is a wealth of knowledge. Thirdly- make sure that whatever state you live in, a conversion is LEGAL!!! Read up on your area's gun laws. If you get stuck, talk to your jurisdiction's primary authority. No need in being in violation of any laws and having your gun taken away. Fourth- HAVE FUN AND BE SAFE!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BolivianAK 2 Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Welcome aboard man! First things first- do NOT make any negative remarks/opinions about Tromix trust me on this one Second- figure out what this gun's intended purpose will be. If you plan on using it for HD/SD purposes, a conversion would be beneficial. There are countless threads floating around with people's builds as well as a picture thread stickied at the top. Search and figure out as much as possible before posting as, for the most part, this forum is a wealth of knowledge. Thirdly- make sure that whatever state you live in, a conversion is LEGAL!!! Read up on your area's gun laws. If you get stuck, talk to your jurisdiction's primary authority. No need in being in violation of any laws and having your gun taken away. Fourth- HAVE FUN AND BE SAFE!!! 1 - OK 2 - I am already 99% sure that I am going to convert it. I have done plenty of research and am confident that I can do most of the conversion myself here at home. I also am fairly confident I know how I am going to configure it. 3 - I live in AZ. What I really wanted to know is what sort of "stuff" I need to know about and do to the gun before I convert it so I know I have a good and reliable platform to base my conversion off of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lucas_061287 0 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Sounds like you're all set then! Well, the general rule of thumb with S12's is to be aware of what gas setting you're on before firing- Slugs/Highbrass stuff is setting 1, birdshot is setting 2 (I always had these confused, thought they were the other way around for the longest time... oops) Otherwise, most people have very reliable guns right out of the box. If there are any issues, it can usually be attributed to either a faulty mag, low brass/wrong gas setting, or one of the models with the dreaded 1 or 2 port barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Racer 27 37 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) Welcome aboard man! First things first- do NOT make any negative remarks/opinions about Tromix trust me on this one Second- figure out what this gun's intended purpose will be. If you plan on using it for HD/SD purposes, a conversion would be beneficial. There are countless threads floating around with people's builds as well as a picture thread stickied at the top. Search and figure out as much as possible before posting as, for the most part, this forum is a wealth of knowledge. Thirdly- make sure that whatever state you live in, a conversion is LEGAL!!! Read up on your area's gun laws. If you get stuck, talk to your jurisdiction's primary authority. No need in being in violation of any laws and having your gun taken away. Fourth- HAVE FUN AND BE SAFE!!! 1 - OK 2 - I am already 99% sure that I am going to convert it. I have done plenty of research and am confident that I can do most of the conversion myself here at home. I also am fairly confident I know how I am going to configure it. 3 - I live in AZ. What I really wanted to know is what sort of "stuff" I need to know about and do to the gun before I convert it so I know I have a good and reliable platform to base my conversion off of. Make sure when you are shooting high brass that you have the gas setting on 1 and when you first try birdshot to see if it works before you set it to 2. Edited March 11, 2010 by Racer 27 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lucas_061287 0 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 ^That reminds me- you're supposed to break 'em in with high brass loads, correct? Or does it really matter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 IMO, faster break in with High Brass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BolivianAK 2 Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 IMO, faster break in with High Brass. What is considered a high brass round compared to a low brass round? And why does it actually make a difference? Are the Federal 100 packs at Walmart low brass? What about Federal rifled slugs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lucas_061287 0 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) Well, most, if not all, birdshot is considered low brass, whereas most slugs and buckshot are high brass. They're named so because of, literally, the height of the brass on the shell, which reflects the amount of powder in the shell. So generally speaking, the heavier the projectile, the more powder to push it, and the more recoil produced. Those Federal 100 packs are low brass, and I've never had any issues with them. Rifled slugs (high brass) are meant to be used with smooth bore barrels, so you're good to go. Edited March 11, 2010 by Lucas_061287 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BolivianAK 2 Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Well, most, if not all, birdshot is considered low brass, whereas most slugs and buckshot are high brass. They're named so because of, literally, the height of the brass on the shell, which reflects the amount of powder in the shell. So generally speaking, the heavier the projectile, the more powder to push it, and the more recoil produced. So its the recoil/powder/projectile that makes it good for breaking in, and not necessarily the physical brass that is doing anything? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 It is the recoil working the action, smoothing out any irregularities in the bolt carrier, bolt, rails, FCG and gas system Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lucas_061287 0 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 ^This Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wade Pruetz 103 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Welcome aboard man! First things first- do NOT make any negative remarks/opinions about Tromix trust me on this one Second- figure out what this gun's intended purpose will be. If you plan on using it for HD/SD purposes, a conversion would be beneficial. There are countless threads floating around with people's builds as well as a picture thread stickied at the top. Search and figure out as much as possible before posting as, for the most part, this forum is a wealth of knowledge. Thirdly- make sure that whatever state you live in, a conversion is LEGAL!!! Read up on your area's gun laws. If you get stuck, talk to your jurisdiction's primary authority. No need in being in violation of any laws and having your gun taken away. Fourth- HAVE FUN AND BE SAFE!!! Great advice! It is never a good idea to attack one of our founders and board supporters, if you don't like their products vote with your pocketbook not your mouth! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 So I just picked up my first Saiga 12 today (unconverted). What should I do now? I figured I would run about 200 rounds through it and document how it holds up. 100 rounds of Federal bulk from Walmart as well as various other slugs, buckshot, etc. that I can find. And then what, if it cycles 90% of the time is that good, or should I go for 100%? At what point should I convert it? I assume if I convert it, that voids the warranty, so I should make sure it is in good working order first right? Anything else I need to know? Thanks. You should pm all of us with pictures of your girlfriend as that is customary on here after you begin the conversion...don't argue with tradition. make sure it can shoot low brass rounds and generally low brass rounds have less visible "brass" but that isn't always the case. just find some of the cheapest rounds you can and make sure the gun can cycle them. The high brass break in is always a good idea however 200 rounds of high brass may cost you more than sending your bolt and carrier off to be polished and relieved. If you do the latter it'll be easier to insert a mag on a closed bolt and the action will be smooth as buttah...R & R, Jt eng., cobra, Lonestar arms, etc all forum members can do that for you if it interests you. I also recommend a gunfixer plug as it provides may benefits the biggest one being, changing settings on the fly easily without pressing a button while using a tool to twist the OE plug. Other than that, the sky is the limit. And as always if you come to any snafu's or roadblocks search for answers as your problem has probably come up 100x before. If not get on here and ask you'll always get a good answer/fix from someone....followed by a bunch of smart ass remarks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldandslow 3 Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Smart ass remark... Sorry, couldn't help myself... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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