1stMarDiv 4 Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 I'm having a problem getting my Saiga12 to cycle 2 3/4" shells. 3" Magnums,no problem. Its like the spring is not allowing the bolt to go back far enough to eject the shells. I'm sure someone out there has the solution. I do have a gun fixers plug installed. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 How many different brands and loads of 2 3/4" shells have you tried? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Saiga 12 before Lone Star Arms: Saiga 12 after Lone Star Arms performance build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA4a-ryJlYg&feature=related Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Light birdshot? Slugs? There would be a big difference between the two. More info please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geepelton 105 Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 (edited) The first thing I would do is go to Wally World and pick up a case of Federal or Remington 1 1/8oz 7 1/2shot birdshot (it's cheap). The type of ammo is important, they do not cycle everything. Try that and see, then let us know how it goes.. Edited June 23, 2010 by Rangerguy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1stMarDiv 4 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 How many different brands and loads of 2 3/4" shells have you tried? 2 boxes of Winchester 7 shot and 2 boxes of Rio Royal 00 Buck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) No winchester low-brass. It's too weak. Try a bunch of high brass, then federal 7 1/2 shot bulk pack & if you still have issues, then is the time to start tinkering. ETA: Are you converted yet? What accessories have you added or swapped? Edited June 24, 2010 by Paulyski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1stMarDiv 4 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Saiga 12 before Lone Star Arms: Saiga 12 after Lone Star Arms performance build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA4a-ryJlYg&feature=related Mine is defiantly before Lone Star! I have the bolt action Saiga, they make a semi auto version???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) He he he... You may have one of many issues, from too small or obstructed ports, incorrectly profiled hammer, lousy mag, or, it may just not be broken in yet. If you're unconverted, after you fire a bunch of high brass to break it in, you can send it to Cadiz for warranty work. They pay shipping both ways & it's free. If you're converted or just like to do it yourself, it'll just take some time, simple tools & a bit of research & you can get it running well. Or, you could just sell it & buy one of Mike's. It all depends on your comfort zone & wallet thickness. At any rate, be sure to test it with the factory 5 round mag. Mag issues are a whole different subject & you want to narrow it down to one or the other. ETA: But it's not warrantied to run winchester 7 1/2 shot low brass. That takes a bit of work. Edited June 24, 2010 by Paulyski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Saiga 12 before Lone Star Arms: Saiga 12 after Lone Star Arms performance build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA4a-ryJlYg&feature=related Mine is defiantly before Lone Star! I have the bolt action Saiga, they make a semi auto version???? LOL!!! As a matter of fact... they do;) Some need more massaging than others. I'm all for DIY if you want to go that route, but if you don't, I can make it run like a scalded ape! Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1stMarDiv 4 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 No winchester low-brass. It's too weak. Try a bunch of high brass, then federal 7 1/2 shot bulk pack & if you still have issues, then is the time to start tinkering. ETA: Are you converted yet? What accessories have you added or swapped? The Rio ammo is high brass but I'll give the federal a try. Yes converted, with tromix parts, magnum twister puck, also have a standard puck. Tactical Gas Regulating System, and some furniture. BTW My MD 20's showed up, I hope to get this issue solved soon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 [quote name='WaffenSchmied' date='23 June 2010 - 05:31 PM' timestamp='1277339352' Some need more massaging than others. I'm all for DIY if you want to go that route, but if you don't, I can make it run like a scalded ape! Mike You're fixing customer's guns now? Cool. You should make an announcement. (if you haven't yet) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1stMarDiv 4 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 He he he... You may have one of many issues, from too small or obstructed ports, incorrectly profiled hammer, lousy mag, or, it may just not be broken in yet. If you're unconverted, after you fire a bunch of high brass to break it in, you can send it to Cadiz for warranty work. They pay shipping both ways & it's free. If you're converted or just like to do it yourself, it'll just take some time, simple tools & a bit of research & you can get it running well. Or, you could just sell it & buy one of Mike's. It all depends on your comfort zone & wallet thickness. At any rate, be sure to test it with the factory 5 round mag. Mag issues are a whole different subject & you want to narrow it down to one or the other. ETA: But it's not warrantied to run winchester 7 1/2 shot low brass. That takes a bit of work. It is converted but most definitely not broken in, I can only hope it could be that easy, the magazine issue probably isn't the case, I have several different types and it seems to happen with all of them. What the average brake in period if one exist. So the stock springs most likely are NOT the problem. My 1911 had a similar issue that was remedied with a spring change. I am done with Winchester low brass for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 You're fixing customer's guns now? Cool. You should make an announcement. (if you haven't yet) Paul, almost half my business is rebuilding guns that don't run the way they can. When I get done with them, they RUN! Please consider this official notice.... If you have a Saiga 12 shotgun you aren't happy with, and it has not been FUBAR'd by someone else, send it to me along with a check, and I will build you a shotgun that will shoot circles around just about any other type of shotgun on the planet! Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Do make sure your hammer has same profile as the factory hammer. The S-12's hammer has a lower profile than all the other saigas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulyski 2,227 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Paul, almost half my business is rebuilding guns that don't run the way they can. When I get done with them, they RUN! Please consider this official notice.... If you have a Saiga 12 shotgun you aren't happy with, and it has not been FUBAR'd by someone else, send it to me along with a check, and I will build you a shotgun that will shoot circles around just about any other type of shotgun on the planet! Mike I'll pass the word. For some reason I got the idea that you were just focusing on complete new builds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1stMarDiv 4 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Saiga 12 before Lone Star Arms: Saiga 12 after Lone Star Arms performance build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA4a-ryJlYg&feature=related Mine is defiantly before Lone Star! I have the bolt action Saiga, they make a semi auto version???? LOL!!! As a matter of fact... they do;) Some need more massaging than others. I'm all for DIY if you want to go that route, but if you don't, I can make it run like a scalded ape! Mike I'll email you if the ammo is not found to be the problem. What the lead time, money is no object when it comes to my happiness, do you do pro bono work??? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stinkybox 5 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Remember the amount of shot and size of shot dont matter. When you"re shooting low brass the only thing that matters when buying shells is the amount of powder in each shell. Make sure you buy 3 DR EQ. or higher. Anything in the 2's is to weak and the gun wont cycle due to lack of gas. I but Remington Sport loads with 3 DR EQ. and they run great. The case on the shell also is smoother than the Winchester crap which helps cycle too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1stMarDiv 4 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Do make sure your hammer has same profile as the factory hammer. The S-12's hammer has a lower profile than all the other saigas. I'll have to take a closer look at that. It was a tromix hammer,trigger group for the Saiga12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1stMarDiv 4 Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Remember the amount of shot and size of shot dont matter. When you"re shooting low brass the only thing that matters when buying shells is the amount of powder in each shell. Make sure you buy 3 DR EQ. or higher. Anything in the 2's is to weak and the gun wont cycle due to lack of gas. I but Remington Sport loads with 3 DR EQ. and they run great. The case on the shell also is smoother than the Winchester crap which helps cycle too. Good to know!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sapper1371usmc 107 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 I bought the twister puc pack that included all three pucks including the magnum, medium, and standard. The magnum and medium would not cycle my gun, but the standard worked as good as the factory puc. The other two allowed to much gas to blow by the puc. I would only recommend those if you have an overgassed gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Saiga 12 before Lone Star Arms: Saiga 12 after Lone Star Arms performance build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA4a-ryJlYg&feature=related Mine is defiantly before Lone Star! I have the bolt action Saiga, they make a semi auto version???? LOL!!! As a matter of fact... they do;) Some need more massaging than others. I'm all for DIY if you want to go that route, but if you don't, I can make it run like a scalded ape! Mike I'll email you if the ammo is not found to be the problem. What the lead time, money is no object when it comes to my happiness, do you do pro bono work??? Thanks "Pro bono" indicates that you are an Attorney. I can either apply my standard reasonable pricing - or swap hourly charges with you based upon your standard reasonable pricing. However, as I probably don't have the same car payment, we are probably better off going with my standard reasonable pricing;) If you are interested in a Lone Star performance build, please PM me with an image of your gun and the particulars, and I will be happy to provide you a quote. With best regards, Michael Rogers Lone Star Arms 2501 Baylor SE Albuquerque, NM 87106 505-263-8822 lonestararms@yahoo.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 my S-12 did not like the twister puck. I put the stock one back in and it cycled fine. Give that a try, see what happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Paul, almost half my business is rebuilding guns that don't run the way they can. When I get done with them, they RUN! Please consider this official notice.... If you have a Saiga 12 shotgun you aren't happy with, and it has not been FUBAR'd by someone else, send it to me along with a check, and I will build you a shotgun that will shoot circles around just about any other type of shotgun on the planet! Mike I'll pass the word. For some reason I got the idea that you were just focusing on complete new builds. Sorry Paul... my miscommunication. I believe we had exchanged PM's regarding repair options for a forum member's gun that was heavily modified and IMO - pretty much FUBAR, and I communicated to you that I would decline that project based upon the condition of the gun as modified by another builder. I did not mean to give you the impression that I would not work upon a previously owned gun. As long as the gun has not been modified in the same manner and to the same extent as the gun we were discussing (and it was really screwed up!), I am always happy to consider a performance rebuild of an existing gun:) Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) No winchester low-brass. It's too weak. Try a bunch of high brass, then federal 7 1/2 shot bulk pack & if you still have issues, then is the time to start tinkering. ETA: Are you converted yet? What accessories have you added or swapped? The Rio ammo is high brass but I'll give the federal a try. Yes converted, with tromix parts, magnum twister puck, also have a standard puck. Tactical Gas Regulating System, and some furniture. BTW My MD 20's showed up, I hope to get this issue solved soon The magnum puck really wasn't intended for use with low power loads. Too much gas gets past the puck. You probably have other issues too, but you may see an improvement with the factory puck. Give it a shot.... I could be wrong though, but I remember seeing something that said it was intended for use with 'high brass' or 3". Edited June 24, 2010 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1stMarDiv 4 Posted July 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 (edited) Just want to thank everyone for their input, finally got it dialed in, 100 rounds no short cycles. Changed my ammo to some Remington nitro pheasant 4 shot , gave it a world class cleaning and put the stock puck back in. As a side note, my Rio 00 buckshot cycled nicely now too. I think I hit the panic button prematurely, but thats what newbies do right. thanks again, I now know what all the noise is about, this "thing" is pure EVIL! Edited July 4, 2010 by Cook B.A. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Just want to thank everyone for their input, finally got it dialed in, 100 rounds no short cycles. Changed my ammo to some Remington nitro pheasant 4 shot , gave it a world class cleaning and put the stock puck back in. As a side note, my Rio 00 buckshot cycled nicely now too. I think I hit the panic button prematurely, but thats what newbies do right. thanks again, I now know what all the noise is about, this "thing" is pure EVIL! Beautiful gun Cook! I'm happy you were able to work out the kinks! Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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