presto_z 125 Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Tax stamp no longer needed for a short barrel shotgun? I saw this on another forum and would like some input from you guys seatstaysup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26974 you can own a a 14.5 inch shot gun or shorter with JUST an AOW stamp (that you can convert to a regular shotgun and back legally): ALSO! you can buy/build a short barrel shotgun with no stamp AT ALL : http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/testttt20001.pdf have fun guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Tax stamp no longer needed for a short barrel shotgun? I saw this on another forum and would like some input from you guys seatstaysup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26974 you can own a a 14.5 inch shot gun or shorter with JUST an AOW stamp (that you can convert to a regular shotgun and back legally): ALSO! you can buy/build a short barrel shotgun with no stamp AT ALL : http://www.nfaoa.org...estttt20001.pdf have fun guys Im not exactly sure that thats what its stating. I hope it is cuz that would be super fkn awesome and I would have LoneStar start building me one right now. But sadly, things are never that easy. But I dont know anything about these topics, so hopefully someone with more knowledge than I will chime in and confirm so I can go get me one! Thanks for posting. One small step for man at a time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
presto_z 125 Posted November 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 ^^^^im not exactly sure either, i was thinking about posting this in the nfa section but it doesnt get the traffic that general discussion gets Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Nfa act was not been changed that I know of. I call bs and you can put a stock on AOW and back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 It's saying you can put a 20 inch barrel on a aow to make it a title one. Same go's for a sbr Ar that has a 16 inch barrel put on can be used for hunting. But some states have laws that say you can not hunt with Nfa items so it is iffy. I do know some aow have I stock but I don't know why or what guns it was. 99.9999 guns with a stock and short barrel are sbr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 An SBR or SBS is intended to be fired from the shoulder, and must have an overall length of 26" or more, and a barrel length of 16" or 18" respectively. Because the weapon referenced is not intended to be fired from the shoulder, it is not a shotgun or rifle as defined by the law, and is subject only to the overall length requirement. This is the same logic that allows for semi-auto 1919 belt-fed guns with 14" barrels, without a tax stamp - they still meet the overall length requirement for a long gun. Yes, it is technically legal under those very specific circumstances, unless a state or local law forbids it. In Nebraska, for example, the law is written so that a shotgun with a barrel length under 18" or overall length less than 26" is illegal, unless duly registered with the federal government - so it would still be illegal here. Be careful. Even if such a thing is legal in your area, it's a very obscure part of the law and 99.9% of LEOs that get to the point of measuring your barrel length will have no idea that it's legit. Personally, the risk of harassment and a night in jail isn't worth one inch of barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenman223 460 Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Im not a lawyer but i dont see anything in that first page, there has to be more to it. all it says is it defines an AOW and then paraphrases and restates the question posed to the ATF. I dont see anything in there about a decision on the legality of doing what the person is asking about. Nowhere does it say "yes the owner can add a 20" barrel and use it for hunting" just my .02 Pretty much same for the other one, I dont see anything that says you can make an SBS without a stamp. Not sure why they say it has a 17" barrel but is not an NFA gun. I still dont see anything of importance in either page. However I know absolutly NOTHING about this sort of thing, just going by what I got from it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rjrivero 50 Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 These letters illustrate really NOTHING. The first one is INCOMPLETE. The second one shows a pistol stocked shot gun who's barrel isn't short enough to be classified as an AOW, because it isn't readily "Concealable on a person" because the overall length is greater than 26". The over all length is JUST LONG enough to get away with NOT being on the AOW radar. That doesn't mean you have CARTE BLANCHE to make any shotgun into an AOW WITHOUT THE TAX STAMP. THIS SPECIFIC FIREARM is okay to be manufactured, under federal law. Local laws may vary. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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DogMan 2,343 Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Yeah, it pretty much says you can do anything you want so go for it. If you have any problems down the road just tell the judge that someone on this forum said it was OK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
presto_z 125 Posted November 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 (edited) Yeah, it pretty much says you can do anything you want so go for it. If you have any problems down the road just tell the judge that someone on this forum said it was OK. Thanks for the input, Im glad you had some usable information on this topic .. jackass Edited November 12, 2010 by presto_z Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 (edited) Yeah, it pretty much says you can do anything you want so go for it. If you have any problems down the road just tell the judge that someone on this forum said it was OK. Thanks for the input, Im glad you had some usable information on this topic .. jackass If you are looking for usable information I would suggest contacting the BATF yourself with a specific question and have them answer you directly. On the other hand if you're just looking for someone to tell you what you want to hear based on a partial letter from the BATF to someone else, well, I'm glad to help out. Edited November 13, 2010 by DogMan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 (edited) There is an awful lot of false info being thrown around in this thread. Sorry Shand, but "An SBR or SBS is intended to be fired from the shoulder, and must have an overall length of 26" or more, and a barrel length of 16" or 18" respectively" is ridiculous! Maybe you meant something different? Edited November 13, 2010 by Dancing Bear Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 There is an awful lot of false info being thrown around in this thread. Sorry Shand, but "An SBR or SBS is intended to be fired from the shoulder, and must have an overall length of 26" or more, and a barrel length of 16" or 18" respectively" is ridiculous! Maybe you meant something different? I sure as shit did, buddy! And no apology necessary. Mixed two separate thoughts into one. Won't edit the original, I deserve the flak for fucking up. Meant a rifle or shotgun is intended to be fired from the shoulder, must have an OAL of 26" or more and barrel length of 16" or greater for a rifle, 18" or greater for a shotgun. Basically, if it isn't meant to be fired from the shoulder, it's not a shotgun or a rifle, short or otherwise. It might be an AOW, or it might not. If it's over 26" in OAL, the barrel length ceases to matter if it's not meant to be fired from the shoulder. I done made a stupid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
banshee 69 Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 (edited) here is a link to the thread on AR15.com http://www.ar15.com/...=6&f=1&t=328129 here is jrzy's post What this means is that if you buy an AOW smooth bore 12 ga and at some point you want to go to a title one weapon with an 18 or 20 inch barrel & put a stock on it it does not eliminate your AOW, you can do it legally in a specific order. This is big news for gun owners who have AOW's or are buying them. The AOW has to start life as a virgin receiver or pistol grip, the law from what I read never addressed what you can do after it is an AOW. So we filed the request and got it done. There are a few things to remember: Never and I mean never install the full stock while that AOW barrel is on the gun. To go to a title one non NFA weapon you remove the shorter NFA barrel. You then remove the pistol grip You then install the 18 or 20 inch barrel You then install the full stock. At this point you have in your hands a title one weapon and it is temporarily not in NFA configuration. To go back to AOW you remove the full stock You install the pistol grip You install the AOW barrel You now have back your AOW NFA weapon We worked on this for a few months and we were lucky and we succeeded. Here is the proof form the tech branch we took a lot of heat over saying this cannot be done. The 14 1/2 inch letter is on the way Edited November 14, 2010 by Banshee Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigsal 757 Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 This thread should be locked for misinformation. This *WILL* lead to someone landing in jail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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