alex e 5 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I think they stopped making them, but I sent an email today to ask if they do. Phone wait time was interminable so I jumped off. That AK mount looks freakin solid and the Burris site is a nice litte sight, not expensive either. Anyone ever put their hands on one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 There were very few ever made. The optic they were using in them was redesigned, and so the mount needed a redesign... This was like two years ago. I think LaRue is too busy raking in money on AR stuff to worry too much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) Good info! Thanks a ton....What's the most solid AK mount, period? I'm going EOTech. Edited February 9, 2011 by alex e Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horse 39 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Eotech on an AK will always be a bad combo. The Eotech is built to fit the AR, and doesn't play well with the low sights on an AK. You will require a cheek riser that will have to be removed to use the irons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) delete repost Edited February 9, 2011 by alex e Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Any red circle/dot sights work? I'm using PVS14 NV monocular....not worried about iron sights. Would the beryl rail help? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horse 39 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 If your using NV your not going to be using irons- use whatever gives you the needed rail space. There are various Beryl style rails out there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Are the Beryl rails crap unless the are DPH? The lesser priced models are indistinguishable but doesn't the DPH have lock/unlock hardware at the buttstock that won't wear out? Hope they work with a Tapco combo rear......cuz that's what I got! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VladTepes 160 Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 aimpoint + ultimak = real time co-witness = win.... imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I won't use ANYTHING that clamps to my barrel. Hence, Beryl rail, and if it costs me $200-$300 then so be it. Also, turns out dumbass me ordered the WRONG friggin stock set.....damn, more waiting for a Magpul setup from CSS. Should have bought it in the first place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Have you looked into the TWS Dog Leg rail? The current generation is integrated into a dust cover. Looks pretty slick too, and very low to the bore. Much lower than any side rail and even lower than the beryl rails. Edited February 11, 2011 by Classy Kalashnikov Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) We have an optics section Edited February 11, 2011 by beefcakeb0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Classy.....you are THE MAN. THAT is what I want. The newb thanks you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Have you looked into the TWS Dog Leg rail? The current generation is integrated into a dust cover. Looks pretty slick too, and very low to the bore. Much lower than any side rail and even lower than the beryl rails. I want to get one for my wife's rifle, as this is the best choice for weight and balance in adding an optic. They appear to be having some teething pains with this, though...might want to wait a few months. Edited February 11, 2011 by Jim Digriz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Have you looked into the TWS Dog Leg rail? The current generation is integrated into a dust cover. Looks pretty slick too, and very low to the bore. Much lower than any side rail and even lower than the beryl rails. I want to get one for my wife's rifle, as this is the best choice for weight and balance in adding an optic. They appear to be having some teething pains with this, though...might want to wait a few months. Or see if you can find a gen1 version of it, depending on what you used for your stock setup the Gen1 might work well, although I think the gen2 shown there is too awesome. They have to get it working right... I need one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrutalGardener 205 Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I won't use ANYTHING that clamps to my barrel. Err... why? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Barrel harmonics change when you clamp something to it and you sacrifice accuracy for the convenient and cheap mount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 And I bought that TWS dogleg rail today and Magpul dark earth stocks.....why not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrutalGardener 205 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Barrel harmonics change when you clamp something to it and you sacrifice accuracy for the convenient and cheap mount. Your POI might change, but I don't think that your accuracy does. In fact, the Ultimak rail generally improves your accuracy. My Ultimak equipped SGL21 is as accurate as stamped receiver AKs get. I got a shitload of target pics, with 2" six round 100 yard groups using Brown Bear HPs. I feel too lazy to post them again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesavery22 54 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Barrel harmonics change when you clamp something to it and you sacrifice accuracy for the convenient and cheap mount. Your POI might change, but I don't think that your accuracy does. In fact, the Ultimak rail generally improves your accuracy. My Ultimak equipped SGL21 is as accurate as stamped receiver AKs get. I got a shitload of target pics, with 2" six round 100 yard groups using Brown Bear HPs. I feel too lazy to post them again. +1 accuracy = repeatability... barrel harmonics is one of MANY variables in the equation that gives you trajectory. AK's are as far from free floating barrels as you can get. Everything is "clamped" onto it. Your heavy ass solid steel front sight tower, your all steel gas block, and oh yeah your hand guard retainer that your hand guard is knocking into... Not to mention we're talking about an equation that doesn't show any effects until we talk about distances where the 7.62x39 round only has enough energy to kill a bunny. Out there lack of energy + crosswind will F up your chances of getting hits more than "barrel harmonics." Just please state you have some other reason to skip the only proven optics solution for the AK platform. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dudethebagman 222 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Just please state you have some other reason to skip the only proven optics solution for the AK platform. That's a bold and probably incorrect statement. Proven by whose standards? What about side rail mounts like the POSP? What about beryl rails like the Polish use? Which military uses the Ultimak? Not that the ultimak isn't a totally viable platform, but it's not the only game in town. Edited February 12, 2011 by Dudethebagman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) I purchased and will be installing the TWS gen 2. Yes there's shit already clamped to the barrel and I don't wish to clamp any more shit to it. I've shot with and without the Midwest and my accuracy improved. My opinion is the Midwest introduces extra harmonics which are undesirable..... YMMV and that's my $0.02.... Edited February 12, 2011 by alex e Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BrutalGardener 205 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I purchased and will be installing the TWS gen 2. Yes there's shit already clamped to the barrel and I don't wish to clamp any more shit to it. I've shot with and without the Midwest and my accuracy improved. My opinion is the Midwest introduces extra harmonics which are undesirable..... YMMV and that's my $0.02.... Let us know how the TWS Gen 2 installation goes. As far as I know, they haven't worked out all the quirks with it yet, which is why I am hesitant to get it for my Saiga 308 at this point. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Let us know how the TWS Gen 2 installation goes. As far as I know, they haven't worked out all the quirks with it yet, which is why I am hesitant to get it for my Saiga 308 at this point. It certainly has potentially on an S308. I'm thinking, Aimpoint Micro on the rail, with option to add 4 or 6 power POSP on the side rail without removing the Micro. I'm not sure that it will work, but I expect it will since the Aimpoint on the Ultimak rail did not interfere with the POSP's view when I tried it a year or so ago. If that doesn't work, maybe an RMR instead of a Micro? Edited February 12, 2011 by Jim Digriz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesavery22 54 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Just please state you have some other reason to skip the only proven optics solution for the AK platform. That's a bold and probably incorrect statement. Proven by whose standards? What about side rail mounts like the POSP? What about beryl rails like the Polish use? Which military uses the Ultimak? Not that the ultimak isn't a totally viable platform, but it's not the only game in town. You're right that is too bold. Should have said the only platform that supports an Aimpoint. As to who's standard? no military. Jim Fuller's stamp of approval does fine by me though. Anything labeled "mil-spec" gets the eye anyway. Don't get me wrong I agree there are other viable options. More so today than a few months ago. If you ask the best AK builders in the world their #1 choice will still be the Ultimak(for an Aimpoint). I purchased and will be installing the TWS gen 2. Yes there's shit already clamped to the barrel and I don't wish to clamp any more shit to it. I've shot with and without the Midwest and my accuracy improved. My opinion is the Midwest introduces extra harmonics which are undesirable..... YMMV and that's my $0.02.... Biggest variable in accuracy is the person pulling the trigger. That's not a stab at you alex e. That's everyone. How did you measure accuracy? What ammo did you use for each measurement? How many times did you do this test? Was it on the same day? What kind of rest were you using to shoot from? The answers to these questions will show more variance then any clamped on device. I can see from these posts and your other thread you aren't one to really have conversations with. I'm posting to ensure others who stumble across these threads don't get the wrong idea. There's nothing wrong with beryl style mounts or the side rail mounts. The TWS product looks to be doing very well. Side rail mounts are an awesome example of damn near return to zero re-mountable optics that others still strive for today. The motivation to never use an Ultimak or MI HG because of "barrel harmonics" is just silly. Edited February 12, 2011 by jamesavery22 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 FFL just called. Going to pick up my Saiga in 15min!! I'll start modding it tonight! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Got it! Man I gotta get this sleeve off the end...but first drilling everything out.....everything done except bullet guide, MAG RELEASE MOD, and Magpul furniture install. That was FAST. Took no time. Thanks CSS video crew! The Tapco mags do not fit the catch lever, seemingly by a ton, and I will mess with that later. Edited February 13, 2011 by alex e Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dudethebagman 222 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 (edited) If you ask the best AK builders in the world their #1 choice will still be the Ultimak(for an Aimpoint). Well, I do have to admit that it's a good combination. This impresses me, as much for the shooting as the equipment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLTTJk7SKoI He doesn't hit them all, but still damn good shooting, IMO. Edited February 13, 2011 by Dudethebagman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alex e 5 Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I want that guy shooting with me, NOT AT ME. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dudethebagman 222 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I want that guy shooting with me, NOT AT ME. I think he's the owner of Ultimak. I bet he gets more time to shoot guns than I do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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