RichardC1967 81 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 oipinions? http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) I don't really care for the low capacity. If I wanted to go that short I would probably rather have a double barrel, SxS or O/U. Edited June 7, 2011 by bigj480 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chaseface 41 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 It's cool in a can fit in your backpack kinda way. But If I was gunna get a shotgun AOW it would be the Cadiz Saiga 12 AOW. But it is way more expensive. You could still use 20 round drum mags with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ram123 17 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I have a serbu 870 and if you get one a suggest buying the fort knox recoil reducing grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ktcm7271 999 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I agree that the low-cap is a major draw back. I also think that a $5 AOW stamp doesn't sound quite right. After thought. Mossberg has really been swinging for the fences with some of the crazy stuff they make lately. (Chainsaw, Roadblocker, etc.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I think a handgun with 12+1 at the least is just as effective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I could be wrong, but think C&S did some of these in the past? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chaseface 41 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I agree that the low-cap is a major draw back. I also think that a $5 AOW stamp doesn't sound quite right. After thought. Mossberg has really been swinging for the fences with some of the crazy stuff they make lately. (Chainsaw, Roadblocker, etc.) If I remember correctly making your own AOW is a $200 dollar tax stamp. For instance if you want to be able to put a forward vertical grip on a AR pistol in California then you would need to make it an AOW, send in the $200 bucks, wait on the stamp. However transferring the AOW to another party after the original stamp is already payed for is $5. I hope that clarifies it for you. The company building these (Serbu) already payed for the original $200 stamp to be able to manufacture it. That's why the price is so much higher than a normal shotgun. So in essence you are paying the $200 extra through the inflated price of the shotgun. You could always create your own AOW also, so long as you get the shotgun from the factory with a pistol grip, and it has never had a stock attached to it, and mail in the check to the ATF. Whether you are purchasing or building an AOW you will need to do one of two things: get your CLEO to sign off on it or create a trust/corporation and buy it on behalf of the trust/corporation. AOW stuff gets tricky depending on where you live and if you can get the CLEO to sign off on it. For some reason if you buy it on behalf of a trust or corporation there is a loophole where you do not need to get the CLEO to sign off on it. It's very handy in California where there is no way in hell the local Cheif Law Enforcement Officer is EVER going to sign off on it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I agree that the low-cap is a major draw back. I also think that a $5 AOW stamp doesn't sound quite right. After thought. Mossberg has really been swinging for the fences with some of the crazy stuff they make lately. (Chainsaw, Roadblocker, etc.) If I remember correctly making your own AOW is a $200 dollar tax stamp. For instance if you want to be able to put a forward vertical grip on a AR pistol in California then you would need to make it an AOW, send in the $200 bucks, wait on the stamp. However transferring the AOW to another party after the original stamp is already payed for is $5. I hope that clarifies it for you. The company building these (Serbu) already payed for the original $200 stamp to be able to manufacture it. That's why the price is so much higher than a normal shotgun. So in essence you are paying the $200 extra through the inflated price of the shotgun. Yep. Which means that for the same price you could have a shotgun that CAN have a stock attached, a SBS. That is, if they are allowed in your state. I would personally pass for $700. I have a couple pump SBSs that are pretty short but they are box fed. For some reason if you buy it on behalf of a trust or corporation there is a loophole where you do not need to get the CLEO to sign off on it. It's very handy in California where there is no way in hell the local Cheif Law Enforcement Officer is EVER going to sign off on it. I wouldn't call it a loophole.......is that like the gun show loophole? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 oipinions? a novelty that soons wears off have 2 rounds. I fired one, and it really sucks to shoot it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chaseface 41 Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I agree that the low-cap is a major draw back. I also think that a $5 AOW stamp doesn't sound quite right. After thought. Mossberg has really been swinging for the fences with some of the crazy stuff they make lately. (Chainsaw, Roadblocker, etc.) If I remember correctly making your own AOW is a $200 dollar tax stamp. For instance if you want to be able to put a forward vertical grip on a AR pistol in California then you would need to make it an AOW, send in the $200 bucks, wait on the stamp. However transferring the AOW to another party after the original stamp is already payed for is $5. I hope that clarifies it for you. The company building these (Serbu) already payed for the original $200 stamp to be able to manufacture it. That's why the price is so much higher than a normal shotgun. So in essence you are paying the $200 extra through the inflated price of the shotgun. Yep. Which means that for the same price you could have a shotgun that CAN have a stock attached, a SBS. That is, if they are allowed in your state. I would personally pass for $700. I have a couple pump SBSs that are pretty short but they are box fed. For some reason if you buy it on behalf of a trust or corporation there is a loophole where you do not need to get the CLEO to sign off on it. It's very handy in California where there is no way in hell the local Cheif Law Enforcement Officer is EVER going to sign off on it. I wouldn't call it a loophole.......is that like the gun show loophole? The second quote is mine but you put K.T.'s name to it. But I totally think it's a loophole. Just MHO though. Not saying that's a bad thing. If you want an AOW you need to have the CLEO sign off on it, or you can pay $300 or $500 or whatever bucks and have a lawyer well versed in NFA trusts draw one up for you and get it without the signature. Not because of a law in particular. Just because of the way things are set up right now in the application process. I really doubt that this will last forever, though I hope it does. If I had the cash right now to open up an NFA trust and get the Saiga 12 AOW better believe I would but it is cost prohibitive for me at this point. Plus I think I will get a 1919a4 before I save up for the Saiga 12 AOW. But it is on the list!! And no I don't think that buying guns at a gun show is a loophole that is a whole other can of beans. But in California we don't have that gun show "loophole" all firearms except for antiques and C&R's must go through the ten day wait and background check. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I thought about it for awhile. But it's a little steep to get and than alter for a S12 mag. I've decided I'd rather do a SBS out of my Bullpupped S12. Esp now that I know I can JUST make it work with a 12rnd drum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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