nicklebon 27 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I want of these but I read there is an issue with the rail being out of spec. I also read the next shipment will correct this. However, I can't verify that from a reliable source. So with that said can someone point to a reliable source to verify the rail will be solved in the next shipment of weapons? Do those that have these already consider the rail issue that bad? What risers are you using to get around the integrated rail problem? I guess this boils down to should I wait for the 1 in the bush or get it now? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slostang 80 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 "The rail is being changed to Nato milspec on future shipments. They were going to ship the 2nd batch with non-mil rails and Clyde Woods at RAA said no. "Fix it now, we'll wait." The 2nd batch will have the Nato rail, so now would be a good time to chill on that one." That is straight from Tony Rumore of Tromix in the SBS 1919 thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 RAAC did not import ANY out of spec rails. Current imports follow the spec we know in the USA, and were not resumed until the issue was remedied. There are no imports out of spec, as far as the rail goes. Before imports were given the go-ahead from the buyer, this error was fixed. ZERO guns went into the public stream with the mid-eastern spec rails, that we do not use here. NONE. Yes, there was an issue, but it was fixed way early on at the source. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nicklebon 27 Posted October 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Excellent news BV! Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crafty101 2 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) then why do so many people have problems mounting scopes on them, Mines out of spec the scope wont mount level because the rail is too thick and ive tried all types of scopes. Plus if was fixed so early why are there so many of them out there without of spec rails? Edited October 1, 2011 by crafty101 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zed kelvartis 0 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Agreed... mine is not the correct spec either. Same with at least 3 other forum contributors' as well. As far as the origonal poster's qurstion, I am using a utg riser I got from amazon for $20 where I filed down the top bevel to fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jasper 19 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) RAAC did not import ANY out of spec rails. Current imports follow the spec we know in the USA, and were not resumed until the issue was remedied. There are no imports out of spec, as far as the rail goes. Before imports were given the go-ahead from the buyer, this error was fixed. ZERO guns went into the public stream with the mid-eastern spec rails, that we do not use here. NONE. Yes, there was an issue, but it was fixed way early on at the source. Bullshit. I have an out of spec rail. I had to modify several risers to get the fit and height I wanted for my DeltaPoint. Where do you get this and how dare you spread this pantload without proof. BTW I have spokent to Clyde and Tony both personaly and they acknowledge it. It isnt a knock on RAA or anyone else. It is just something that slipped thru the cracks. Edited October 2, 2011 by Jasper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) Ok, I shouldnt have said NONE. The number is 250. It has since been remedied since the initial airlifed shipment came in which contained 250 guns. The rail was to a different country's spec, I think possibly Israeli. Cant remember right now, but I want to say it was the Israeli spec. NONE are being imported now with the out of spec rail, and it put availability in a bind until the problem was fixed. Ill be calling Clyde back in a few months once he is caught up, and buy one for myself to screw around with. For you new users, I have a great many personal contacts and friends that are major players in this corner of the industry, a couple of them mentioned above. Edited October 3, 2011 by Ben Vampatella 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nicklebon 27 Posted October 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Blaine has verified the issue is resolved so come Monday I'll pull the trigger on this. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saillaw 2 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Mine also was out of spec, I have gun #166. My gun also has the diamond and ruby Fire/Safe markers. I've heard that the new batch had in spec top rail and no longer has the diamond and ruby (which I actually kind of like tbh), but I don't know what gun number qualifies as a "second batch" gun. It must be higher than 166. Also for the OP, see this thread: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/70901-scope-mount/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheGeneral 3 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) What is the best way to tell if you have an out of spec rail? I have had no issues mounting my Primary Arms red dot. I have an early issue MKA, I just assumed the rail was out of spec, but I muscled the rail into spec..... Edited October 5, 2011 by TheGeneral Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jasper 19 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Do a yahoo or google search for "1913 rail" or "picatinny rail specs" and you should find links for dimensions. I'm presuming you have a set of dial or digital calipers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crafty101 2 Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 Mines number 266 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheGeneral 3 Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 Do a yahoo or google search for "1913 rail" or "picatinny rail specs" and you should find links for dimensions. I'm presuming you have a set of dial or digital calipers. Thanks for the info, I will check mine out..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jasper 19 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 The 1913 spec is a NATO wide standard and my rail isn't. It's bigger which does allow some minor milling the risers or optic mount of your choice. That's what I did instead of hacking up the upper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saillaw 2 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Mines number 266 So at least till 266 they are not NATO spec rails. Does yours have the diamond and ruby? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unearthlyevil 2 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I have gun 165, out of spec. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jasper 19 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) Im not sure what part of the serial # people are referencing. IF its the first 3 numbers after the 11. mine is 0275 I like the funky jewels and someday it may be a small point of notoriety Edited October 15, 2011 by Jasper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nicklebon 27 Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Mine arrived today. I should have posted this earlier. I spoke with Clyde at RAA and he confirmed what Blaine over at Atlantic had told me that all the weapons coming in now have the rail issue resolved. So if you were on the fence over that it is time to get off. I've got a bushing and puck from Tromix and will be shooting it Sunday with a friend and we will measure then. I'll admit it does feel somewhat like a toy but I'm withholding all judgment until I shoot it. I do wish the pistol grip had a door but that's easily resolved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unearthlyevil 2 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 I have gun 165, out of spec. Upon a closer look at my 1919, I stand corrected, I have #162. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darble 0 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Number 64 definately out of spec. Kinda feel cheated, wanted to get one before anyone else i knew and now when they get theirs, they will be able to mount any scope without any modifications. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tate 0 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why would Israeli guys want out off 1913 spec rails? I think they use same standard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why would Israeli guys want out off 1913 spec rails? I think they use same standard. I have no idea. I have friends in the IDF, I might want to ask. Concidering that they are using M4s and M16s (mostly M4s I think) in the reserves and are phasing them out in favor of the Tavor (which, with a fully loaded mag, weighs more than the M4 one of them told me.) I would think they would want to be able to transfer all optics and mountable equipment to the Tavor for a smooth transition. As for buying a firearm the very minute it becomes available? Well that's why I like to wait a lil bit. Just in case there are a few bugs to iron out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jasper 19 Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Why would Israeli guys want out off 1913 spec rails? I think they use same standard. The IMI uses NATO specs like the rest of the west. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cw_mi 1 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 i know this is an old thread but i just wanted to add that i just received my XN yesterday and am pretty sure the top rail is out of spec. my Bushnell holo site does not fit correctly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
otlahurst 0 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I received my xn today as well an the top rail was out of spec. I tried to mount an Eotech 512 no luck. The 512 fit my AR perfect. Any suggestions for mounting the 512 on the out of spec rail? Possibly a riser? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
idahodan 2 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 too big or too small Quote Link to post Share on other sites
otlahurst 0 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 The rail appears to big the Eotech will not fully clamp on the rail and is slightly cocked (high on the right side looking from the butt) the Eotech just barely gets a bite on the right side. Other than that the gun is awesome. Cycles great and was impressed with the feel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cw_mi 1 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 mine is the exact same problem, rail seems to big. i plan on buying a riser and just grinding the riser to fit the rail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snwbrdrcr 17 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 No problem with my XN, I'm running an Aimpoint in a LaRue mount and a Troy Battlesight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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