Open carry, Pro-2a march at an Occupy event in Portland OR...

[Paulyski 2,227]

Who's up for an open carry pro 2-A march at an Occupy march?

 

Non confrontational, just make signs & O.C. on leg holsters or long guns slung over the shoulder.

It's illegal to OC a loaded weapon in portland unless you have your CHL, so only CHL holders can OC a loaded pistol.

 

This is proposed as being around Occupy Portland.

Not a counter protest, however not necessarily in support of their message, being as their official message has been vague thus far.

Simply stating that the 2nd amendment preserves the first, at a rare time when those on the left are proclaiming that the constitution means something rather than just saying "it's just a piece of paper"

 

Confrontational counter protests will be counterproductive being as this movement encourages participation from all 99%, so it will be difficult for the masses to try to alienate our cause without proving themselves hypocrites.

 

That being said, our group will stick together to assure no stupid kids try to grab a sidearm unloaded or not. We feel it would be a good idea to keep exposed sidearms unloaded.

Carrying your CCW piece concealed & loaded would be the safest bet for all parties involved if you choose to carry live ammo.

Also, we will stay away from any hot spots that might develop with O.P. and refrain from confrontation of any type with anybody as well as keep back from any law enforcement in the area.

 

No sinister looks to anybody on either side.

Just happy go lucky 2-a supporters supporting the Second Amendment

 

Portland Law enforcement has been AWESOME during these events despite what you might see on youtube or the news.

Gadsen flags & US flags (mounted stars UP) would be appropriate.

 

Themes like standing against the proposed cooperation with the UN regarding the small arms treaty that would be expected to superceed our Constitutional rights would be those to push.

 

So how about it?

 

If this is a people's movement, we'll show that we're the 99% too!

 

Email 2ndamemdmentrights2011@gmail.com if interested

 

We are aware many in the community do not think it would be a good idea.

We respect your opinion & welcome you not to come if the idea makes you feel uncomfortable.

 

This movement is growing & liberals are open to suggestion as well as endorsing Constitutional rights at the moment, so we plan to seize the opportunity to show America that the firearms community is normal, everyday working folks with many of the same base concerns as themselves before they shift to an anti-gun stance as a whole.

If this movement is already large enough to have its own

, we suggest it be steered steered to pro-2a ideals before it shifts.

 

Thank you for your time.

Pauly.

 

2ndamendmentrights2011@gmail.com

[schultze13 354]

I understand a NON-confrontational march but you know as soon as the stoned liberal zombies see us they will start something trying to blame it on us. I don't care I am layed off for a few weeks. Do you want to pick me up at the airport???

[Paulyski 2,227]

I understand a NON-confrontational march but you know as soon as the stoned liberal zombies see us they will start something trying to blame it on us. I don't care I am layed off for a few weeks. Do you want to pick me up at the airport???

We'll see how it turns out.

The thread definitely sparked some thought.

3 pages long in 4 hours.

 

I'd have no problem picking you up, but OC is only legal in PDX with an Oregon CHL, so you'd have to carry an unloaded long gun or unloaded pistol.

Portland's one of a few cities in OR. that limits O.C.

[kdbutler 563]

OR is a long way for me, but I like the idea. I hope it gets the support its looking for.

[schultze13 354]

I would have no problen carring a empty gun. I would go one step futher and make it a airsoft so they could not say I had ammo in it and just emptyed it before I got approched. I think it is a great idea just make sure everyone has there cameras on JIC. Let me know if you get enough people intersted I will fly out.

[DogMan 2,343]

I just don't see what this would be accomplishing for either group and I think it's a bad idea to have a bunch of armed people going into a potentially volatile environment. You will just be seen as some rogue splinter group of "occupy" protesters who have now armed themselves. In my opinion, no open carry demonstration can afford to even be perceived to have anything other than totally peaceful intentions and you will not be doing the the other protesters there any favors either. My opinion=bad idea.

[Paulyski 2,227]

Yeah, there's a lot of people who like to talk a lot but don't want to take opportunity to let the liberals know we're also part of the population when they're most open to accepting all 99%'s views...

 

But there's quite a few others who feel it's time to seize the opportunity to reach-out so we can maybe stop the infighting on this issue before the movement gets completely consumed by ultra liberals.

 

We'll see how it works out.

I'm thinking of possibly getting signs professionally printed with something like a Gadsen on one side that says "The Second Preserves The First" under the "Don't Tread On Me" & on the other side a US flag (with the stars UP) saying "Don't turn our sovereignty over to the UN." Or something along those lines to distinguish us, also so we don't have to speak to convey the message & so people don't have ratty signs.

[sickness 89]

Yeah, there's a lot of people who like to talk a lot but don't want to take opportunity to let the liberals know we're also part of the population when they're most open to accepting all 99%'s views...

 

I think it is a great idea. I wish I was closer to Oregon.

 

You're dead on about needing to get our message out there now. This is the first time in America, that I'm aware of, that common conservative and liberal folks both recognize the same set of problems, and want solutions to those problems. It is easy to get bogged down in the minutia of the issues, and it is easy to say "get a job hippie" and all that.

 

It takes more mental effort to see that these folks are bitching about JOB LOSS IN AMERICA. Conservative folks have been bitching about that for quite some time - many of us have gone out of our way at times to buy American products. We've bitched about outsourcing jobs overseas for a long time as well.

 

To me, it is shameful that more conservatives aren't out there with those liberal kids with the message of cracking down on that sort of shit and making it a priority to re-build our manufacturing sector here in the States.

 

BOTH sides of the camp here are against the globalist agenda in this regard, which is really what it is. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I do recognize that there is an "elite" class of rich folks who love outsourcing jobs to places like India. They frame it in the positive sense (naturally) of "stimulating the developing world." But this is done at the expense of bleeding our own country dry.

 

We know it. They know it. We are at the precipice of finally being able to change some important things about this country and get back to some of our fundamentals.

 

If conservatives don't get on board with this, we'll be selling the country short. No REAL reform or restoration is EVER going to be accomplished without a true mandate from the people. That is GOING to have to include liberals, guys.

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

1. It takes more mental effort to see that these folks are bitching about JOB LOSS IN AMERICA.

 

2. To me, it is shameful that more conservatives aren't out there with those liberal kids

 

3. We are at the precipice of finally being able to change some important things about this country and get back to some of our fundamentals.

 

4. If conservatives don't get on board with this, we'll be selling the country short.

 

5. No REAL reform or restoration is EVER going to be accomplished without a true mandate from the people. That is GOING to have to include liberals, guys.

 

1. Seems like the OWS crowd is not a focused entity and that it would be a stretch to interpret their protests souly as agains't job loss. Seems like there is a strong anarchic / socialist / communist / destructive theme emanating from the group mixed with a great self entitlement (gimme gimme) stench.

 

2. I for one don't have an interest to join the OWS movement for the reasons listed above. I still feel like this should be a country where one should be able to put forth effort for what they want. Handouts are not for me. That and I do not condone public urination, defecation, drug use, anti semitism, rape, harassment and defacement of public property.

 

3. I agree with you but I don't think the OWS movement is the way that we should use to move forward. I love my country and do not want anarchy, communism or socialism as a future for it.

 

4. Conservatives were "on board" long before the OWS movement began. The TEA party movement (TPM). IMHO a much better and more constructive approach to fixing our country's problems. Just compare and contrast the TPM and the OWS, some of both movement's goals overlap but the ways to achieve them and the political viewpoints could not be more diametrically opposed.

 

5. Totally agree with you but I view lib demo's as fellow citizens that also love our country. I don't believe the faaaaaaaar left fringos at the OWS movement are in any way the majority of the "left" and as such I don't feel the need to be all warm and cuddly with them.

Edited November 23, 2011 by Odd Man Out

[Paulyski 2,227]

Personally I see this as an opportunity to be seized regardless of what the disorganized movement's message is.

 

The thread I started is drawing some who seek to spread our pro-2a message, but they are outnumbered by cowards who would like to see themselves as patriots, so they say they would be in support if it was in opposition.

They play like they don't understand that not being a "counter"-protest would reach out to the people who want to accept us, but they understand, they're simply complacent. They are used to infighting, because that's all they know.

 

They say they'd be in support if it was solely us, or a counter-protest....

Yeah, right!

15-20 idiots yelling at hundreds?

Better to gain the sympathy of a growing movement than attack & have all them be anti-gunners next time they calm down & vote.

I do feel the occupy movement will swing the upcoming election to conservatives this time at least because most supporters are currently pissed at Obama.

 

They're just armed sheep, mostly the Elmer Fudd group who gets pissed at people who like the S-12 because they feel it's too evil of a gun.

At times our worst enemies seem to be those those within our own community sadly enough.

People always think it won't effect them...

Until it does.

We'll see how it works out.

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

The thread definitely sparked some thought.

3 pages long in 4 hours.

 

What thread are you referring to????

[Paulyski 2,227]

The thread definitely sparked some thought.

3 pages long in 4 hours.

 

What thread are you referring to????

The predecessor to this one; http://www.northwestfirearms.com/legal-political/73343-open-carry-pro-2a-event-being-planned-portland.html

 

It had grown to over 1500 views & 6 pages long, but the Fudds had to start a flame war against the supporters of the idea & well, when fact is presented after inaccuracies, people tend to get a little peeved that they're on record.

 

Rather than have a continued flame war, it's better this way.

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

Got it -- Thanks.

[Donkeyshins 87]

Yeah, there's a lot of people who like to talk a lot but don't want to take opportunity to let the liberals know we're also part of the population when they're most open to accepting all 99%'s views...

 

I think it is a great idea. I wish I was closer to Oregon.

 

You're dead on about needing to get our message out there now. This is the first time in America, that I'm aware of, that common conservative and liberal folks both recognize the same set of problems, and want solutions to those problems. It is easy to get bogged down in the minutia of the issues, and it is easy to say "get a job hippie" and all that.

 

It takes more mental effort to see that these folks are bitching about JOB LOSS IN AMERICA. Conservative folks have been bitching about that for quite some time - many of us have gone out of our way at times to buy American products. We've bitched about outsourcing jobs overseas for a long time as well.

 

To me, it is shameful that more conservatives aren't out there with those liberal kids with the message of cracking down on that sort of shit and making it a priority to re-build our manufacturing sector here in the States.

 

BOTH sides of the camp here are against the globalist agenda in this regard, which is really what it is. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I do recognize that there is an "elite" class of rich folks who love outsourcing jobs to places like India. They frame it in the positive sense (naturally) of "stimulating the developing world." But this is done at the expense of bleeding our own country dry.

 

We know it. They know it. We are at the precipice of finally being able to change some important things about this country and get back to some of our fundamentals.

 

If conservatives don't get on board with this, we'll be selling the country short. No REAL reform or restoration is EVER going to be accomplished without a true mandate from the people. That is GOING to have to include liberals, guys.

Perhaps someday we'll get back to bipartisanship and government by consensus instead of all this red v. blue bullshit that's destroying our society while the political and economic elites watch the peons and laugh...

[Paulyski 2,227]

Although I still think it's an idea to spread the pro-2a message among these lost souls, I... After closely observing the core of the "movement" feel that the true goal is to attack our financial system to try to crash it & spread anarchy, which they eventually intend to lead to socialism.

 

There's a few libertarian types mixed in with the crowd, but their voices are quickly drowned out in person & censored electronicly by the Hillary Clinton Hens in the group.

Without actions, they lose the youth who are in for adventure, so they must keep making a scene.

They feed the homeless to control them so they'll be numbers in their actions.

They threaten to shun those who are overly disruptive to their message.

 

Here's a perfect example of how socialism works at it's base for those unaware;

 

Leading by example sometimes means you have to be willing to declare behavior unproductive and contrary to the point of the demonstration. Again, we offer help to everyone, lovingly and respectfully. Anyone who refuses to be calm and respectful to the process and who refuses the assistance we offer them needs to be escorted away from utilizing the free food and camping space that Occupy offers. This is a simple and fair trade: respect for the camp and its safety grants you access to the camp and its food and safety.

3 hours ago · Like · 1

The above was written by a self hating Jewish person who has been heavily involved with the group & was made a facebook group moderator the day after going off on a racial diatribe against white people with guns.

 

When the state gives you everything, all they have to do is to threaten to take it away to control the masses.

 

 

A gentleman came up as I was recently observing them & asks "Are they chanting?" referring to the coercive persuasion technique in which they speak which does not allow for critical thinking because everybody's blindly repeating what everybody said ensuring that it's ingrained into their psyche.

 

Their method of "voting" involves raising both hands & wiggling their fingers, they call this "twinkling support"

This ensures peer pressure to go along with the crowd & psychologically entraps them to the cult group.

 

One thing that's surprising, is despite it being a very heavily feminist influenced movement, they suggest women who have been raped to report it internally rather than to the authorities. Of course there are objections when this is suggested, but it's placated & rationalized by the leaders rather effectively, then stated that they're not encouraging not reporting rape, although they had just encouraged not reporting rape.... But people buy it for acceptance's sake.

Oh how wonderful it must feel to "belong"....

 

There have even been calls to hang the "traitors" in our country. Then the thread disappears right after someone cues in that they swore an oath to protect this country from all enemies foreign & domestic..

 

Keep your ammo dry boys....

[kdbutler 563]

Although I still think it's an idea to spread the pro-2a message among these lost souls, I... After closely observing the core of the "movement" feel that the true goal is to attack our financial system to try to crash it & spread anarchy, which they eventually intend to lead to socialism.

 

There's a few libertarian types mixed in with the crowd, but their voices are quickly drowned out in person & censored electronicly by the Hillary Clinton Hens in the group.

Without actions, they lose the youth who are in for adventure, so they must keep making a scene.

They feed the homeless to control them so they'll be numbers in their actions.

They threaten to shun those who are overly disruptive to their message.

 

Here's a perfect example of how socialism works at it's base for those unaware;

 

Leading by example sometimes means you have to be willing to declare behavior unproductive and contrary to the point of the demonstration. Again, we offer help to everyone, lovingly and respectfully. Anyone who refuses to be calm and respectful to the process and who refuses the assistance we offer them needs to be escorted away from utilizing the free food and camping space that Occupy offers. This is a simple and fair trade: respect for the camp and its safety grants you access to the camp and its food and safety.

3 hours ago · Like · 1

The above was written by a self hating Jewish person who has been heavily involved with the group & was made a facebook group moderator the day after going off on a racial diatribe against white people with guns.

 

When the state gives you everything, all they have to do is to threaten to take it away to control the masses.

 

 

A gentleman came up as I was recently observing them & asks "Are they chanting?" referring to the coercive persuasion technique in which they speak which does not allow for critical thinking because everybody's blindly repeating what everybody said ensuring that it's ingrained into their psyche.

 

Their method of "voting" involves raising both hands & wiggling their fingers, they call this "twinkling support"

This ensures peer pressure to go along with the crowd & psychologically entraps them to the cult group.

 

One thing that's surprising, is despite it being a very heavily feminist influenced movement, they suggest women who have been raped to report it internally rather than to the authorities. Of course there are objections when this is suggested, but it's placated & rationalized by the leaders rather effectively, then stated that they're not encouraging not reporting rape, although they had just encouraged not reporting rape.... But people buy it for acceptance's sake.

Oh how wonderful it must feel to "belong"....

 

There have even been calls to hang the "traitors" in our country. Then the thread disappears right after someone cues in that they swore an oath to protect this country from all enemies foreign & domestic..

 

Keep your ammo dry boys....

 

I totally agree that the core of the movement hopes to collapse our existing system, while positioning themselves to be the political and social elite which fills the vacuum. These people have no intention of living under the same system that they would have the rest of us live under.

 

Socialism is for The People, not The Socialist

 

Still, its reassuring that there are many who oppose this movement, and are engaging its members peacefully. I do believe that this movement will turn more violent at some point. Especially when it has the blessing of a portion of our political class (Mayors Bloomberg in NYC, and Lee in San Francisco, for example), who have rendered LE's efforts at keeping order in their cities ineffectual. When the protestors no longer fear the law, they'll come after their real targets. Average citizens, unlike Police won't necessarily follow any ROE, and yes sometimes we hit back.

 

Like you said before: "Keep your powder dry", but I would also add: Continue to follow the law to the best of your ability. Show those who are still on the fence, or the LEOs who are dealing with these people who the good guys actually are.

[Donkeyshins 87]

To call the OWS folks a bunch of socialists and anarchists who are out to cause the collapse of society is as overly simplified and ignorant as saying that the Tea Party movement is about establishing a misogynist, racist, fundamentalist theocracy in place of the current government. Let's not fall victim to or indulge in stereotypes, folks.

[kdbutler 563]

To call the OWS folks a bunch of socialists and anarchists who are out to cause the collapse of society is as overly simplified and ignorant as saying that the Tea Party movement is about establishing a misogynist, racist, fundamentalist theocracy in place of the current government. Let's not fall victim to or indulge in stereotypes, folks.

 

Really? What am I missing, then? The movement hasn't done a particularly stellar job of explaining itself. Help me out here. Meanwhile, my opinions are mine, and reflect what OWS has demonstrated in the 3-4 months its existed.

[Donkeyshins 87]

To call the OWS folks a bunch of socialists and anarchists who are out to cause the collapse of society is as overly simplified and ignorant as saying that the Tea Party movement is about establishing a misogynist, racist, fundamentalist theocracy in place of the current government. Let's not fall victim to or indulge in stereotypes, folks.

 

Really? What am I missing, then? The movement hasn't done a particularly stellar job of explaining itself. Help me out here. Meanwhile, my opinions are mine, and reflect what OWS has demonstrated in the 3-4 months its existed.

Wait - so demanding accountability from Wall Street speculators for the current economic mess and from the government for repealing the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956 and bailing out Wall Street, mortgage brokers and banks (which, incidentally, don't provide or create a great number of jobs, especially when they are holding onto their money instead of lending it to small businesses and mortgage-seekers) with taxpayer money is akin to socialism? Demanding that the 1% need to pay their (historically) fair share of taxes encourages anarchy? Pointing out the insanity of CEOs being paid over 400x what their average employee makes in a year is going to cause the collapse of society? Just because OWS is rather diffuse in their demands (and, let's be honest, some are whackier than others), doesn't mean there aren't some common themes if one takes the time to listen.

 

In any movement, you're going to have outliers that have their own agenda - in the case of OWS, it's the Black Bloc anarchists who are the ones destroying property and/or confronting law enforcement - they have been disavowed / discredited by the mainstream of the OWS movement.

 

I would love to see a bunch of pro-2A open-carry advocates supporting and attending OWA rallies, but given the reaction of law enforcement and the government so far, it probably would not end well.

Edited December 12, 2011 by Donkeyshins

[kdbutler 563]

To call the OWS folks a bunch of socialists and anarchists who are out to cause the collapse of society is as overly simplified and ignorant as saying that the Tea Party movement is about establishing a misogynist, racist, fundamentalist theocracy in place of the current government. Let's not fall victim to or indulge in stereotypes, folks.

 

Really? What am I missing, then? The movement hasn't done a particularly stellar job of explaining itself. Help me out here. Meanwhile, my opinions are mine, and reflect what OWS has demonstrated in the 3-4 months its existed.

Wait - so demanding accountability from Wall Street speculators for the current economic mess...

 

Wow. Speculators, huh? I didn't know they wielded so much power over the economy, when it is the Fed that sets interest rates, and injects several Hundred Billion Dollars of fiat money into an economy with an already heavily devalued currency (with the approval and encouragement of the U.S. Congress and President). Government has been incrementally centralizing and nationalizing the banking system in this country for almost 100 years, but damn if those speculators aren't a scary bunch.

 

...and from the government for repealing the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956 and bailing out Wall Street, mortgage brokers and banks (which, incidentally, don't provide or create a great number of jobs, especially when they are holding onto their money instead of lending it to small businesses and mortgage-seekers) with taxpayer money is akin to socialism?

 

When government props up banks using taxpayer funds, and the taxpayer gets no discernable ROI, I'd say its closer to socialism than to free-market capitalism. Regarding the repeal of the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956, I don't have enough information about it to have an opinion yet.

 

Demanding that the 1% need to pay their (historically) fair share of taxes encourages anarchy?

I don't think it encourages anarchy, but I do think it encourages demagoguery from a government that is charged with providing to all citizens equal protection under law. Not to create a strawman about greedy millionaires and billionaires, so that others can feel justified advocating for the forcible taking of wealth from another disliked group of citizens. Sounds a lot like class-warfare to me, which has no place in a free and civil society. If you want to talk about a reformation of the tax code to a more equitable model, then I'm all ears. Otherwise, support of a progressive tax system is support of something that is "fair" in name only.

 

Pointing out the insanity of CEOs being paid over 400x what their average employee makes in a year is going to cause the collapse of society?

I don't give a shit what CEOs earn compared to the average employee. The way I see it, It really isn't the business of anyone, save the employees of the company and the person(s) running the company. Advocating for government intervention in wage controls, is a trojan horse that gives it power to determine how much (or how little) any of us can earn.

 

Just because OWS is rather diffuse in their demands (and, let's be honest, some are whackier than others), doesn't mean there aren't some common themes if one takes the time to listen.

Sure, and if I listen to someone with dementia long enough, they may say something lucid that i can agree with. Doesn't make me want to join their club, though. When I see the likes of Frances Fox Piven heading a "teach-in" at OWS, there's very little there I can identify with. When protestors occupy private property as if it somehow belongs to them, even when ordered to leave, they lose any support I may have offered.

 

In any movement, you're going to have outliers that have their own agenda - in the case of OWS, it's the Black Bloc anarchists who are the ones destroying property and/or confronting law enforcement - they have been disavowed / discredited by the mainstream of the OWS movement.

OK?

 

I would love to see a bunch of pro-2A open-carry advocates supporting and attending OWA rallies, but given the reaction of law enforcement and the government so far, it probably would not end well.

Maybe, but I think you'll find a greater prevalence of anti-2A thought among protestors, than you would among the LE providing security.

Edited December 12, 2011 by Kevin in Texas

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

I would love to see a bunch of pro-2A open-carry advocates attending OWA rallies.

 

Me too -- on the side of the police

[Donkeyshins 87]

I would love to see a bunch of pro-2A open-carry advocates attending OWA rallies.

 

Me too -- on the side of the police

Nice. Glad to know OWS has your support.

[Donkeyshins 87]

Regarding the repeal of the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956, I don't have enough information about it to have an opinion yet.

I encourage you to read up on it - the reason that investment banks were able to repackage high-risk mortgages as low-risk mortgage bank securities as well as hedge against these same MBSes (e.g. betting the high-risk mortgages will default) was a result of the repeal of BHCA.

 

When the protestors no longer fear the law, they'll come after their real targets. Average citizens, unlike Police won't necessarily follow any ROE, and yes sometimes we hit back.

Do you seriously think that roving gangs of 99%ers will be invading your home to steal your possessions? Do you actually think that OWS is out to 'come after...average citizens'? I think you need to cut back on the weed because it's making you paranoid.

Edited December 12, 2011 by Donkeyshins

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

I would love to see a bunch of pro-2A open-carry advocates attending OWA rallies.

 

Me too -- on the side of the police

Nice. Glad to know OWS has your support.

 

Yup. With a direct boot to the ass to get a job...

[Donkeyshins 87]

I would love to see a bunch of pro-2A open-carry advocates attending OWA rallies.

 

Me too -- on the side of the police

Nice. Glad to know OWS has your support.

 

Yup. With a direct boot to the ass to get a job...

Oh...so in your opinion, everything is hunky-dory with the economy and the country and we shouldn't complain.

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

A tad simplistic, even for you don't you think?

don't you think?

[Donkeyshins 87]

A tad simplistic, even for you don't you think?

don't you think?

Even for me? Do you know the first damn thing about me? I'm not the one espousing the solution to the issues that are being brought up by the OWS movement is to give them, "a direct boot to the ass to get a job..."

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

OOOOOOOHHH, sorry I got a little inside the boundaries

 

Just havin my bit o mental fun with ya -- tis so easy I just can't help myself...

 

BTW. what are the issues being brought up by the OWS, other than drug use, destruction of public property, sexual harrassment and rape and a whole lot of whinning? Seems like their "efforts" could be better utilized elsewhere.

 

P.S. Yup, I do espouse a boot in the rear for them since they are much too old for a spanking -- now THAT would be preposterous!

Edited December 12, 2011 by Odd Man Out

[G O B 3,516]

There are NO jobs for them TO get.Bring back the jobs we sent overseas and the ones with brains will be too busy to go party in the streets and the rest will go back to mommy's basement couch.

[kdbutler 563]

Couriouser and couriouser...

http://hosted.ap.org...Y_PORTS?SITE=AP (AP changed the title this evening from "Occupy Protestors Block Some U.S. Ports", to what it is now)

 

and

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/occupy-protestors-attempt-west-coast-port-blockades_n_1142978.html

Edited December 14, 2011 by Kevin in Texas