piggsy 0 Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Greetings. Has anyone here experienced intermittent stovepiping in their S-12? Conditions: Not always the last round. Winchester target load. Gas setting 2. Stock 22" bbl Over 300 rounds fired before, with limited stovepipes. With or without a buffer. It does not matter. Greased rails always. Possibly I aquired a bad box of ammo because this has not happened before this box. Thanx in Advance! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 you might try cleaning the barrel gas port and cleaning the gas tube plug/pinhole? did you try that yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shooter2 5 Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Conditions:Not always the last round. Winchester target load. Gas setting 2. Stock 22" bbl Over 300 rounds fired before, with limited stovepipes. With or without a buffer. It does not matter. Greased rails always. Try a different brand/load and see if the problem persists. One of my S-12s showed this tendency with some of the department store bulk pack target ammo, as well as Speer Lawman reduced recoil 00, most often on the last round in a mag. I just cleared the stovepipe and pressed on. If I'm just out blasting, I'll shoot the cheapest ammo I can find and not worry about a few hiccups. But for training and home-defense purposes, I make sure to use a load that's proven reliable in my gun (which, fortunately, is most of 'em!). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JumiKuula 1 Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Take that buffer off or replace it with a thinner one. (It really makes a difference...) If you don't got any, remove some metal just ahead of ejector. ...Right where you might see some brass-scratches from previous shells. Easies way to avoid stovepipes is to use a bit more powerful longer shells. I'll try to take a picture... -"JamShot" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
piggsy 0 Posted August 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Thanks for the replies. Bvamp, I haven't ever cleaned the gas port. Guess it's time. LOL! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twinhairdryers 2 Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Take that buffer off or replace it with a thinner one. (It really makes a difference...) If you don't got any, remove some metal just ahead of ejector. ...Right where you might see some brass-scratches from previous shells. Easies way to avoid stovepipes is to use a bit more powerful longer shells. I'll try to take a picture... -"JamShot" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please describe this metal removal area in more detail. I haven't heard of this one before. thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lagomorph 0 Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 I have the exact same problems with the winchester stuff. Its probly the 1-1/8 oz. loads with the steel base. Picked up a box from walmart, tried to save money, just caused myself a headache. My saigas will shoot everything BUT that stuff. Winchester must have needed to save loading materials. I use the S&B stuff now, it cost a little more but flawless functioning, and no more headaches. this is the stuff, AVOID AT ALL COSTS!!! (you've been warned!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amish_psycho 0 Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 I have problems with the WallyWorld Winchester too. I just started buying the Remington Nitro Sport #8 for another $1. Never had a problem with them and you can reload them if you like. Amish out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 i have no problems with the above ammo at all even on setting 1. guess im one of the lucky ones. my s12 appears to be a factory cut back 22" that is now 18.5" with a wider gas port. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted August 27, 2005 Report Share Posted August 27, 2005 I have been using Remington 1 oz #7 1/2. Because I was using that cheap Walmart Winchester crap and it was screwing up about 5 % of the time so I quit using it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hk4me 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 My Saiga won't cycle 8 or 8 1/2 bird shot... It stove pipes when I attempt to shoot it (courtesy Wally World Winchester White Box). OTOH, it will fire through 7 & 7 1/2 WWWWB bird shot like it was an AK47 . All on the #2 gas port setting of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 i guess im lucky, seeing how i can bump fire the lightest trap loads at skeet without any issues. the only thing my s12 doesnt like is the really REALLY thin hulled stuff like the wolf trap loads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dry_gulcher 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 same here, mine cycles the cheap winchester stuff on "1", but the last round in the mag gets caught in the bolt about 70% of the time, which is OK i guess, makes reloading a lot easier, and no need for BHO! it does the same with the wolf target loads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 ive had 100% success with the remington peters and the win AA trap loads. the cheap walmart/100 round pack wins work well, almost never jams. wolf though... those hulls are too thin. my s12 eats the last round of wolf target EVERY time. in a big way. didnt used to do this, and i attribute it to the thousands and thousands of rounds i have fired down the gun. i recrowned that little sharp lip on the end of the chamber, and its not quite as bad as it was doing, but i wont buy wolf shotshells anymore. the hulls are too thin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JumiKuula 1 Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 And here comes the picture. Area that should be lowered by removing some metel is insidide white lines. And rounding the end of rails (look at the picture...) helps too... I've already cut about 1mm off and still shells have scratched that black coating. -JumiKuula aka Jamshot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikey1 0 Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 (edited) Gentlemen, see my post on s-20"jams". I think it has some merit for the s-12 problems also? For $5 what have you got to loose? Less recoil gas for low vel BUT same spring tension??? Trying too be helpful...mikey1 Edited September 2, 2005 by mikey1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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