86250rrippin 16 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) no other mods made at all, russian mags and all.this stock was put on versions of the saiga right from russia i believe. not interested in doing a conversion yet, just want to have the pg for the BOSS. ive only shot it ten shots and dont want to dig in yet. just want to shoot it with the skeletized stock for the summer as -is. thanks ahead guys..... Edited February 14, 2012 by 86250rrippin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Yes, that is considered "as imported" and is "sporting". I verified this with Clyde Wood at RAAC. He said they aproved all models of saigas that RAAC imported to be imported with that. I don't know if the aproval transfers to those brought in by other importers. And I have one for sale. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Too bad that still has the buggered trigger location, but that does look like a nice stock... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
308SAIGA 55 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 no other mods made at all, russian mags and all.this stock was put on versions of the saiga right from russia i believe. not interested in doing a conversion yet, just want to have the pg for the BOSS. ive only shot it ten shots and dont want to dig in yet. just want to shoot it with the skeletized stock for the summer as -is. thanks ahead guys..... It is NOT OK, you just put a pistol grip on a sporterized imported weapon and is in violation of 922r.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 no other mods made at all, russian mags and all.this stock was put on versions of the saiga right from russia i believe. not interested in doing a conversion yet, just want to have the pg for the BOSS. ive only shot it ten shots and dont want to dig in yet. just want to shoot it with the skeletized stock for the summer as -is. thanks ahead guys..... It is NOT OK, you just put a pistol grip on a sporterized imported weapon and is in violation of 922r.... They saiga skeleton stock was an original import version. It is legal to use and does not count as a pistol grip since the stock simply has a void or hole in the middle of it. You only violate 922r if you use high cap mags or add a muzzle break. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
86250rrippin 16 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) ok, now if i add a 30 round us mag and a us forend are total parts 15 or 14 - 4 total as its now evil ? if its 14 -4 im ok at 10.if by adding the 30 rounder the buttstock becomes counted as 2 i will be at 11. btw ,the rear stock is perfect as-is. the rear stock is not a pistol grip as imported, but im wondering if the mag pushes it into counting as two parts then. kinda confusing. please dont tell me to change trigger assembly as im not intimidated, just dont feel the need to as im keeping this gun simple. i am going to do a 7.62 saiga converted in red wood in a future project though. thanks ahead guys Edited February 25, 2012 by 86250rrippin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 The skeleton buttstock counts the same as factory since it is one continuos piece of material, and it was an orignal import option. To use high cap mags you will have to change out at least one part for a us part. Could be the foregrip, piston, etc. This is what should be the simple option you're looking for. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
preparehandbook 326 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 This is exactly why I'm using one of the fine and sturdy stocks from anticommagirl so I can move my trigger forward yet still not be considered to have a "pistol grip" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 This is exactly why I'm using one of the fine and sturdy stocks from anticommagirl so I can move my trigger forward yet still not be considered to have a "pistol grip" That's how norinco, and daewoo got around the clinton import ban. They just put a thumb hole in there stock so you still had a hand grip, but the stock was one piece. Kinda like finding a loop hole in the law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
86250rrippin 16 Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 perfect , i have a sgm forend (us) and 30 round mags here. now , can i use factory 10 rounders modded for a bullet guide with the sgm forend and still be compliant ? as in this configuration i have no evil features, but a us forend ? thanks guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 perfect , i have a sgm forend (us) and 30 round mags here. now , can i use factory 10 rounders modded for a bullet guide with the sgm forend and still be compliant ? as in this configuration i have no evil features, but a us forend ? thanks guys 10 rnd or less magazines are not considered evil. So you are good to use those. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
308SAIGA 55 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) It is NOT OK, you just put a pistol grip on a sporterized imported weapon and is in violation of 922r.... They saiga skeleton stock was an original import version. wrong It is legal to use and does not count as a pistol grip since the stock simply has a void or hole in the middle of it. You only violate 922r if you use high cap mags or add a muzzle break. wrong Saigas never imported with a pistol grip stock weapon unless it was a VEPR and very little of these came in, Saiga never had a synthetic PG stock that is an ATI stock, and 922r is violated if you put a PG on or a high cap mag, he did not say hi-cap mag. Edited February 27, 2012 by 308saiga Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thoricuncle 19 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 I have one that was imported in that exact configuration. It was called this Saiga (Option). I did put a tapco fore end so I could use 30 round US mags. Works Great. I will probably do a "real" conversion some day but not for awhile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 All the models of Saiga imported through RAA were approved to be imported with that stock. I got that straight from the importer himself when I bought one. It is "as imported" and "sporting" as long as you don't add a high cap, or a muzzle device. Things on the shotgun do not count as a muzzle device according to recent ATF letters an vehement posts by Tony Rumore. It is superior to the Monte carlo stock and pretty nice for bench shooting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
545x39mm 1 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) It is NOT OK, you just put a pistol grip on a sporterized imported weapon and is in violation of 922r.... They saiga skeleton stock was an original import version. wrong It is legal to use and does not count as a pistol grip since the stock simply has a void or hole in the middle of it. You only violate 922r if you use high cap mags or add a muzzle break. wrong Saigas never imported with a pistol grip stock weapon unless it was a VEPR and very little of these came in, Saiga never had a synthetic PG stock that is an ATI stock, and 922r is violated if you put a PG on or a high cap mag, he did not say hi-cap mag. The above is absolutely incorrect. Last week I bought a 20" barrel 5.45 rifle and it came with one of the syntheyic pistol grip stocks. The display model had the standard "sporter" stock. I really think they just put on whatever stocks they have on hand when they build these. Same with the trunnions. The display model had the round bottom front trunnion. This rifle has the square bottom trunnion. Here is a pic of the Russian markings on the bottom of the stock. Regarding VEPR's being scarce..... Not the case. J&G also had those in stock in 5.45, 7.62x39, .223 and .308. ALL have wooden thumbhole type stocks. Over twice the price of this heavy barrel SAIGA and they have the ugly angle cuts on the rear of the receivers. Edited February 28, 2012 by 545x39mm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 It is NOT OK, you just put a pistol grip on a sporterized imported weapon and is in violation of 922r.... They saiga skeleton stock was an original import version. wrong It is legal to use and does not count as a pistol grip since the stock simply has a void or hole in the middle of it. You only violate 922r if you use high cap mags or add a muzzle break. wrong Saigas never imported with a pistol grip stock weapon unless it was a VEPR and very little of these came in, Saiga never had a synthetic PG stock that is an ATI stock, and 922r is violated if you put a PG on or a high cap mag, he did not say hi-cap mag. A little research goes a long way. You should try before trying to make me out to be an ass hat. I'll gladly accept an apology when ever you're ready. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
308SAIGA 55 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) The above is absolutely incorrect. Last week I bought a 20" barrel 5.45 rifle and it came with one of the syntheyic pistol grip stocks. The display model had the standard "sporter" stock. I really think they just put on whatever stocks they have on hand when they build these. Same with the trunnions. The display model had the round bottom front trunnion. This rifle has the square bottom trunnion. Here is a pic of the Russian markings on the bottom of the stock. Regarding VEPR's being scarce..... Not the case. J&G also had those in stock in 5.45, 7.62x39, .223 and .308. ALL have wooden thumbhole type stocks. Over twice the price of this heavy barrel SAIGA and they have the ugly angle cuts on the rear of the receivers. These rifles came into the country when?????? Recently!!!!! Maybe I should have been more specific in the time frame, you know between 2005 - 2010, VEPR's where scarce and NO PG rifles where allowed into the country, remember no AK's "BECAUSE OF PG" so they created the Saiga to get around this. Now how they are importing these current productions I have no idea... If these are being imported today in this configuration then it would be legal.... Again installing a PG on an Saiga rifle triggers and has always triggered 922r compliancy... "This was the question" Edited February 28, 2012 by 308saiga Quote Link to post Share on other sites
86250rrippin 16 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 i never asked about a pg , i was referring to a thumbhole stock ...which this is. easy now guys thanks again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 The above is absolutely incorrect. Last week I bought a 20" barrel 5.45 rifle and it came with one of the syntheyic pistol grip stocks. The display model had the standard "sporter" stock. I really think they just put on whatever stocks they have on hand when they build these. Same with the trunnions. The display model had the round bottom front trunnion. This rifle has the square bottom trunnion. Here is a pic of the Russian markings on the bottom of the stock. Regarding VEPR's being scarce..... Not the case. J&G also had those in stock in 5.45, 7.62x39, .223 and .308. ALL have wooden thumbhole type stocks. Over twice the price of this heavy barrel SAIGA and they have the ugly angle cuts on the rear of the receivers. These rifles came into the country when?????? Recently!!!!! Maybe I should have been more specific in the time frame, you know between 2005 - 2010, VEPR's where scarce and NO PG rifles where allowed into the country, remember no AK's "BECAUSE OF PG" so they created the Saiga to get around this. Now how they are importing these current productions I have no idea... If these are being imported today in this configuration then it would be legal.... Again installing a PG on an Saiga rifle triggers and has always triggered 922r compliancy... "This was the question" Can you explain Norinco, Daewoo, and a host of other importers using thumbhole pistol grip stocks back in the early days of 922r? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thoricuncle 19 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Mine was manufactured in 2009 and imported in 2010. Says so in the Russian manual. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
308SAIGA 55 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Can you explain Norinco, Daewoo, and a host of other importers using thumbhole pistol grip stocks back in the early days of 922r? Look I am not trying to get into a pissing contest with you, all I am saying is that, around the year 2005 the GOV (BATFE) stated no more PG rifles into this country, so they came out with the Saiga rifle in a huntting style weapon. Now I see some how they got around that as well, hey I say great good for the people... The Norinco and others had already been in this country before the current ban of, I think the year was, 2005 do not quote me on that.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Can you explain Norinco, Daewoo, and a host of other importers using thumbhole pistol grip stocks back in the early days of 922r? Look I am not trying to get into a pissing contest with you, all I am saying is that, around the year 2005 the GOV (BATFE) stated no more PG rifles into this country, so they came out with the Saiga rifle in a huntting style weapon. Now I see some how they got around that as well, hey I say great good for the people... The Norinco and others had already been in this country before the current ban of, I think the year was, 2005 do not quote me on that.... No pissing contest intended. Just trying to clarify and understand the issue concerning the question of the original post. While there be no way of knowing when the skeleton stock first was imported, the fact is that it has been, making the stock legal to use. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thoricuncle 19 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 On a side note, this points out how ridiculous 922r is... I have a tapco hand guard and a forward vertical grip. If I use US made 30 round mags; I'm in compliance. However, if I use the 10 round factory mag I am not in compliance since the forward vertical grip makes it non-sporterized. One of the few cases where 30 round mags are good but 10 rounds mags are bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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