geneticgamer 0 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 I'm a complete noob on the topic. I have 20+ round mags for both rifles(VEPR and Saiga 308's) so I have to do a conversion to legally use them, correct? Show me the way... It's a Super so I imagine it has the slant cut receiver. What is the best adapter that doesn't require altering the tang or rifle itself? I'll need help with everything I need for the conversion, where to get the parts, and directions on what to do. I also have a .308 Saiga to convert, so please chime in on that as well. Many thanks for any good advice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bunker83 22 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 the saiga 308 is a pretty straight forward conversion. you can find tons of info on this site just use the search. as for the super 308. i couldnt tell ya. google's your friend lol. and if your getting rid of the wooden stock for the super vepr id like to buy it off of ya. PM me if your intrested in selling it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneticgamer 0 Posted March 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 I'd prefer to use the advice here vs Google to make sure it's current and I follow the best route. Don't know if I'll sell the wood or not. I haven't seen it in person yet, but looking forward to it. I love wood rifles, but HAVING to change it out do to ridiculous regulations and wanting something that's unaffected by weather I will be changing it. How much is the furniture worth? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Couple things for your consideration. The super vepr is a step cut receiver, so slant cut parts may not fit. http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139264 If your just going for parts count. The trigger parts will likely be less annoying. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bunker83 22 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 if i had to guess id say $5.....lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneticgamer 0 Posted March 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Couple things for your consideration. The super vepr is a step cut receiver, so slant cut parts may not fit. http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139264 If your just going for parts count. The trigger parts will likely be less annoying. I didn't know that. Big help, thanks! I nearly ordered hundreds worth of stuff I couldn't use. All I need to do is change the trigger and that's it? I have three of your mags on order btw. if i had to guess id say $5.....lol Oh, ok. Maybe if you pay the shipping. Edited March 15, 2013 by geneticgamer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dracozny 11 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 just don't try ordering an RSA adjustable trigger through Black Horse Arsenal to save 5$, I've only been waiting for 4 months for a part that is supposed to dropship directly from RSA according to the few people that made a half-a**ed attempt to return my messages. (if they are a sponsor I apologize but its still the truth.) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneticgamer 0 Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I appreciate the advice. Service is HUGE! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 As cool as a Red star is... A tapco first for compliance and the red star when things are sane again. Either one will likely need some modifying to work in the super, the tapco is cheaper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dracozny 11 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 I actually wrote Redstar finally and Ken gave me a timely response on the issue. I already had planned on needing to modify the ".308 vepr adjustable trigger" for the Super. for those ill equipped I'm sure the Tapco would be just fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneticgamer 0 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 Mine arrived today. Happy it's here, but the fit and finish is a bit disappointing. Not why I bought it, but it would have been nice to see the quality I was expecting. Lots of tool marks. Makes me feel less guilty about shooting it at least! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted March 21, 2013 Report Share Posted March 21, 2013 Genetic, it just means the guys on the machine are not as well trained as they should be. (tool marks) It takes time to develop that skill. A lot of times companies don't always want to pay for such skilled labor. I refaced the thread protector after I removed it from my .308 VEPR so I could reuse it. I'm a noob what is but I refaced it and made the Russian that did the facing on the muzzle end look like a monkey. These guys are just trying to build them as inexpensively as they can. That savings is passed on to you. If they had more strict QA and QC the price would go up but you'd have one hell of a rifle right out of the box. But you also have to know your market. AK guys like me will sacrifice some QC and take some toolmarks as long as the product is accurate reliable and of decent price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneticgamer 0 Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Agreed. I've always been pretty picky. Especially with my own work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I am too, I really am. However I know the essence of the AK. Simple, cost effective, looks cheap, can build one from nothing really but the most beautiful part of it is always, good accuracy (Did not say great.) and going bang the first time, everytime. It looks like a pos when you pick up a really well worn one. But when you dump that sand,mud, muck in there and pull the trigger, it'll make you smile. lol Makes me smile knowing it'll do it too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneticgamer 0 Posted May 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Added a straight cut .308 to my small collection. Going to convert this one. The buttstock is completely unfinished, so it's needed as well as wanted. Definitely a Houge rubber pistol grip. I'm thinking a Tapco fixed buttstock or AK T6 adjustable, but I'm open to suggestion. Any forend suggestions? Saw an AIM Sports AK47 universal quad rail on Amazon, but don't know if it'll work? I don't think it will on a 16" .308 with integrated sights. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) I'm not sure about the quad rail but I would try the K-Var fixed stock, it'll fit. I used a foregrip from Ronin's Grips also. Then a Tapco copy of the AK grip as well. More US parts than I need but, the price was right so I went with it. The stock is a Warsaw length stock. Because of the angle I took the pic at I think some people wonder if it's the NATO length stock, but it's not. Edited May 14, 2013 by ShadowFire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneticgamer 0 Posted May 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 (edited) Nice. Mine came today and Promags won't even fit in it without a fight. All they did was scratch the shit out of the mag release. Do you like your mags? Any suggestions for a muzzle device on a 16.5"? Don't know if there's anything to help with both flash and rise? Edited May 17, 2013 by geneticgamer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted May 20, 2013 Report Share Posted May 20, 2013 It's gonna eventually get scratched anyway. A lot of sliding action on the mag release, it's the way it works. What you can do is take a file and slowly file down the tab in the right places (Either the angled spot under the top of the tab, or the flat spot where the angled spot meets the top horizontal spot of the tab.) until you get good contact. After that, I like to polish the tab, to give it a natural smooth gliding action. Try 800 or 1000 grit automotive sandpaper, should smooth it right out once it fits. I like my mag. Csspecs made them. (Look at his post for the link to his site.). They cost more, but you get what you pay for. He even tells you how to modify them if they don't fit the rifle right away. Great mags and imo, the bluing on his mags seems to allow for easy loading and easy feeding during operation. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneticgamer 0 Posted July 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I need a foregrip that has a bottom rail for a forward grip. Also lost on finding a muzzle device to dampen recoil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) I need a foregrip that has a bottom rail for a forward grip. Also lost on finding a muzzle device to dampen recoil. You should check out Primary Weapons System's FSC30. It is arguably the best MBC or as they list it a FSC (Flash Suppressing Compensator) and it helps reduce muzzle flash a great deal without being classified as a flash hider (ATF certified). They come standard on the SCAR and PWS is an extremely quality company. It will run you $100, but you get what you pay for. For quick follow up shots and quick target acquisition I haven't found anything that works better. I am planning on chopping and perm attaching this onto my Vepr 308 down to 16.1" and running an eotech as a MBR. Just remember you are going to need to find a thread adapter or have your barrel re threaded for the standard 5/8x24. as for Hanguards or rail systems on the 308 02 model it gets a little tougher as the gastube is unique to the 02 Integrated Sight model so it is a no go for Ultimak, Texas Weapons Systems, Damage Industries and basically anything else I love Midewest has a relatively inexpensive option for their Vepr rail that will work. BUT if you just want to go the hand guard route, which is becoming a lot more appealing to me Ronin's Hangguard seems to be the favorite and I have heard nothing but good things about them. You could attach a rail section to the bottom of that and run a variety of foregrips. Other than that CSS has some slotted and buckshot patterned tri-rails that would work and SGM has a quad coming out but the sight picture might be interrupted with the top rail section on. So, the SGM tri rail might be your best most cost effective bet and one I have beend considering as well. Edited July 10, 2013 by Mountain Man 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneticgamer 0 Posted July 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Thanks. I need to finish mine out. Really want a different buttstock as well. I bought a fixed Tapco stock that didn't fit and I dremeled it to hell and back to work. Hope you post pics when you're done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bunker83 22 Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 ill buy your super vepr stock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leadslinger 37 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) I would suggest you take it out and shot with the irons before you start adding weight to it. you will be surprised at how well they can shoot that way. you might save yourself some money and keep it light and simple. all that stuff makes it nose heavy and cumbersome to swing into action. g2 trigger easiest way to go (nice trigger once you get used to it) dinzag had them already modified for vepr if you don't want to it yourself. Edited July 30, 2013 by leadslinger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geneticgamer 0 Posted October 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I would suggest you take it out and shot with the irons before you start adding weight to it. you will be surprised at how well they can shoot that way. you might save yourself some money and keep it light and simple. all that stuff makes it nose heavy and cumbersome to swing into action. g2 trigger easiest way to go (nice trigger once you get used to it) dinzag had them already modified for vepr if you don't want to it yourself. I have to say it is pretty nice stock. I haven't shot my .308 and 7.62x39 M70 with the slant brake side by side, but I don't really notice much difference between the two as far as staying on target goes. Kick doesn't bother me as long as I can stay on target well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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