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    1st Saiga 12, what do I have??

    Get some rounds down range.. Either you will find a use for it or you won't.. Mine gets used for grouse hunting in swamps from time to time.. And it went out for a couple hog hunts on an air boat.. Otherwise it is a range toy.. I normally use 5 round magazines with mine.. Five rounds is more than you can realistically use hunting, because all game animals are long gone by then. At the range I'll use the 10s or 20 round drum.. For home defense, I can't see anyone sticking around for 6-10 rounds of buckshot.. They are either dead or running away by round five... But my home defense is a pistol, with an AR-15 as the carbine, and a Ruger PC9 as the back ups back up.. But it is up to you.
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    1st Saiga 12, what do I have??

    922R was primarily made for importers and manufacturers.. And I would point out that no one is checking this stuff since the law would most likely get struck down in court for several reasons.. So really nothing to worry about.. The 922R information is kinda dated and in my opinion was overblown to sell "compliance parts" But just for the heck of it, let's imagine we care about 922r: It's normally stated that the Saiga-12 has 15 counted parts, goal is 10 or less imported counted parts.. Three are in the magazine, one is in the stock, I think that stock is USA made, odds are the rail is as well and it is counted, The muzzle device is added, so if it is imported then you need to either remove it or swap another part. If it says USA you are good to go on that part as well. Odds are you are at or below 10 counted parts and are good to go with all magazines made in the USA, which is most of the ones on the market, and all of the ones that are not stupid expensive. I make the steel ones..
  3. Ok so we switched over magazine types about two months ago. The spare parts fit the old style sold before 4/1/2019.. The parts are obsolete but could be useful as spares. I have roughly the following left: Followers: 30 Floor plates (reddish hue): 100 Retainer plates: 75 Just PM me how many parts you want an your mailing address..
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    Saiga Unlimited

    Depends what your looking for. If I can't do it, or I think I'll be too expensive I'll tell you.. I might have a suggestion for another shop or two depending on what the part is. I gave a price to a company back five months ago, and I felt like I was too high at first, but it was what I could do.. Well last week they came back and gave the green light for production, along with asking for quotes on three other parts.. So apparently I'm the cheapest option around for those parts... Surprised me. Asking is pretty cheap (free).. Just try to have a drawing in my hands so I know what I'm looking at, a pencil drawing on printer paper is OK it just needs to have dimensions on it otherwise my brother gets really pissy.. And if I know what price point your going for I can help cut costs or increase quality depending on the goal.
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    Saiga Unlimited

    Well I'd suggest trying to get a single well made product off the ground as quickly as possible.. I think you'll find the AR-15 crowd to be very large. Shotgun shells are difficult. Our first couple times tackling shotgun shell magazines did not go perfectly and it took multiple attempts to get it right, rifle rounds are significantly easier. As for a patent, be ready for a cost as high as $10-15K, the file online patents are basically worthless because your claims have to have a very specific wording to work.. Also expect to find a few similar devices, because belt feed conversions of box magazine rifles have been tested back as early as the 30s, most of the time they worked well but took to many modifications to the original rifle to be worth doing... So if you get it worked out to be plug and play you probably have a winner of a product. If you want some general suggestions on manufacturing google my user name.. My contact page has a phone number and an email address. I've been making gun parts for a decade and can give you some tips on how to get your product off the ground.. Just don't tell me much or anything about it until you have it protected.. I have a cnc mill, cnc laser and am happy to do short run contract manufacturing.
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    Saiga Unlimited

    Its possible to make such an item. But I promise the price will balloon.. Since you are planning to go to classes to learn how you have little experience. Nothing is easy or cheap.. I'd suggest looking at similar devices and pricing. Market value should be $300 or so.. Don't commit yourself to $100, I don't think that price point is possible.
  7. Sadly the window is slamming shut kinda fast. There was a stay placed on the judgement. People need to have their orders in by 5pm tomorrow to be grandfathered this time around. This is not done, it is just being appealed.
  8. Hard to blame heat treatment when there are no visible broken parts other than what is normal with a kaboom. None of the pressure parts are broken that I can see in any of the photos. I screwed around with my saiga and I could almost get the bolt into the carrier in a way that would fire out of battery, I did not want to damage my shotgun so I stopped without forcing the parts together.. So it's "possible" that this is user error.. Also possible that a chain reaction of gun issues and incorrect modification could have also resulted in this issue.. To me this looks mostly like a OOB firing than a critical part failure... The other option is case head separation which is pretty much non existent in shotguns. One thing that strikes me is that the bolt is not in the carrier when installed into the gun. And the damage to the cam lug seems inconsistent to what would happen if the bolt was correctly installed in the carrier.. Which leans more toward user error. You have to work pretty hard to get it in wrong, but I'm pretty sure it can be done. With the bolt installed wrong it is possible for the firing pin to be struck without the bolt even close to being locked. A couple photos of the Trunnion would be really nice, and the back of the bolt carrier. Because that could be the issue.
  9. Uhh I could be forgetting what a bolt looks like but I see BOTH lugs still there.. I see some chewing near the cam lug, but the cam lug is not a pressure containing area.. But the pictures would be nicer if they rotated the bolt around from the same perspective. My theory is either trunnion failure, case head failure (ammo), or OOB, which would require the bolt carrier was made wrong or was modified to allow the hammer to strike the firing pin without being closed.. Could still be that the gun is total trash, but bolt lug failure does not seem to be the problem.
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    MDARMS X CSSPECS steel dbl stack mag alive or dead?

    OK to answer this topics original question. I would say the idea of a collaborative project or licensed product is 100% DEAD. So I'll be exiting this topic. If anyone wants to edit this into the start of the thread feel free to do so.
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    Drum mag for 3 inch shells

    Kinda like this one? Snail style 25 round for a Vepr that a guy on AK files made.. Even still doing both 2 3/4" and 3" is a touch changing. http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372851
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    MDARMS X CSSPECS steel dbl stack mag alive or dead?

    Yeah they rolled out a really cheap Saiga-12 magazine, and it looks like a lot of them went to dealers.. So not really surprising. Selling them directly as OEM helps, since there is a stigma about only buying original factory magazines. Of course the SDS magazines are NOT factory magazines but are actually made by the importer, but hey how many gun buyers look that close? The market right now wants cheap... It may have demand for 3000 $29-34 magazines, but how much demand is there for a double stack is likely based on price. If the magazine is priced like the mossberg ones I doubt people are going to be buying 10 at a time. And can people justify the cost over a drum? Is the double stack more or less cool looking? Hard to say without spending the money to find out. I have found forums not to always represent the average customer, forums are generally populated by enthusiast, the average customer is generally a casual buyer, and the ratio is something like 10 or 20 causal buyers to each enthusiast. So it is entirely possible to have something that a forum loves but has really weak sales.
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    MDARMS X CSSPECS steel dbl stack mag alive or dead?

    I did not imply anything. Just that I recalled some issue existed related to inventory, not like I keep track of everyone business dealings. I have enough on my plate.. As for production volume, we can make around 3,000 to 4,000 magazines a month, maybe more but I've never found a product that had demand even close to that, so I've really never got to let the production line off its chain.. Normally we make batches of around 300-500 because on average that works out best for storage capacity vs demand. We just wrapped up a run of 2500+ magazines, six different types, which restocks those items for 14-18 months.. Having a 5 year supply of anything is just silly. I'm not attacking the need for an audit as much as saying that anyone that was motivated to falsify records could totally do it since the entire audit is going to be checking data that was entered into the system by the same people who would be falsifying the records.. So the audit is always going to show that everything is perfect because the only record that the product ever existed are the papers they generated to show you. You've likely always dealt with companies that produced part of a good under contact. So you have purchase orders, contracts, bills of sale, shipping documents ect. That simply does not exist when everything is made under the same roof.
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    MDARMS X CSSPECS steel dbl stack mag alive or dead?

    Fair enough.. Yeah if I can't be trusted to accurately report inventory without having my business getting a cavity search every few days. Then there really is no way to make it happen.. Plus the website only reflects sales made online, and the inventory only shows what I type in. How would you audit production? Check how many sheets of steel I buy? the same stock is used in every product.. Check every one of the 200+ bins of parts? call up every storage unit in town to see what I have stored. The heat treater I use could verify tonnage but they don't know one magazine from another, and they are not going to give you my invoices unless I tell them... I just have no idea how you could actually verify production numbers if you don't trust the people writing them down. Apple had one of their factories kicking out containers full of phones off the books for several years. So really there is no way to 100% guarantee manufacturing data is accurate even in the large scale. I seem to recall you had a similar issue with the gas adjuster knob you made under a similar agreement.. So it is hardly a unique issue.
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    MDARMS X CSSPECS steel dbl stack mag alive or dead?

    Yeah we make almost 100% of everything in house, so its not like you would be able to verify volume for sake of fees. Also there is normally a fair amount of loss from stampings to actual assembled sellable units. One slip while your welding certain parts and the whole unit is trash because there is not enough meat to get a good weld the second time... And heat treatment normally screws up about .5% bad enough that they just get tossed. It is difficult to track manufacturer volume when the stuff is direct sales. I'm not going to allow access to my sales data, even my mother does not have access and she does our paperwork... That and my email list are things I'm worried about people getting their hands on.. You could get all the magazine designs and with a team of skilled workers not be able to make them work. There is a notepad of sloppy hand written shop notes that goes with the design and the designs are useless without them. As for the stamping complexity. There is an area that one part needs to shrink and another part needs to get a fair amount larger. The way you do that is to use rib stampings to pull the excess metal out and a few more to control the stretching.. The question of possibility is more a question of how much does it cost. I'm nearly 100% confident we could make the shape, the question is how much does it cost to make the shape, how fast can they be made. Your other big stamping guy is most likely looking from a perspective of progressive stamping.. And I can say the double stack is a big fat no for progressive stamping, short of some giant multi million unit contracts. Honestly its going to be someone like me or injection molding.