Rayn2ravage 37 Posted May 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Very nice. My buddy wants something just like yours Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo.M777 11 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Almost done!!! That looks badass!! I like how your eotech hood matches too. I noticed your stock on there as the fab defense one. I almost bought one for my Saiga. I didn't because a reputable s12 builder in my area said since its designed to absorb some of the recoil, it would cause cycling issues in an S12 so I got a tromix stock instead. Have you had any issues with yours cycling? BTW I cerakoted my saiga, and It doesn't seem to be any better than duracoat as far as durability goes. It still scratches and wears off. Its not the miracle innovation its made out to be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackSnake99 11 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 (edited) Full Build here... http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/47299-my-saiga-fell-apart/page-4 ^^^How do you change mags with your VFG that far aft? I had to move mine more forward than I want because of the interference, so if you solved that I would be curious as to how. Edited May 12, 2013 by BlackSnake99 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) Full Build here... http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/47299-my-saiga-fell-apart/page-4 ^^^How do you change mags with your VFG that far aft? I had to move mine more forward than I want because of the interference, so if you solved that I would be curious as to how. Krebs offset vfg mount I know the guys at the shop pretty well so i got this done for 150$. still not done yet Could I ship my gun and get the same deal? lol and Bomb, that is TOP sir! Edited May 13, 2013 by Syndicate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Full Build here... http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/47299-my-saiga-fell-apart/page-4 ^^^How do you change mags with your VFG that far aft? I had to move mine more forward than I want because of the interference, so if you solved that I would be curious as to how. Krebs offset vfg mount and Bomb, that is TOP sir! Exactly, The Krebs offsets the VFG to the side and at a slight angle. It looks odd, But it works with my gun, even the charging handle is at a odd angle. There's reasons for all of it though, and it works. Reloads are easier on that gun than my other 2 saiga 12s.(doesn't work with drums however) And, thank you sir. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HotShot308 11 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Almost done!!! That looks badass!! I like how your eotech hood matches too. I noticed your stock on there as the fab defense one. I almost bought one for my Saiga. I didn't because a reputable s12 builder in my area said since its designed to absorb some of the recoil, it would cause cycling issues in an S12 so I got a tromix stock instead. Have you had any issues with yours cycling? BTW I cerakoted my saiga, and It doesn't seem to be any better than duracoat as far as durability goes. It still scratches and wears off. Its not the miracle innovation its made out to be. If you're having scratching or wear issues, it could be an application error. Was it the bake on version, or air dry? If bake on, were all the metal parts pre-heated before application? Or are the wear issues on parts that couldn't be baked? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rayn2ravage 37 Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) If you're having scratching or wear issues, it could be an application error. Was it the bake on version, or air dry? If bake on, were all the metal parts pre-heated before application? Or are the wear issues on parts that couldn't be baked? Im going to talk with the guys to see how they did this so i can avoid future issues. I do know you have to be generous when applying the duracoat though. As for the White Knight yes you can. https://www.facebook.com/snipercompanyllc?fref=ts ask for travis or mike. Tell them you were on the saiga forums and saw my saiga and that Jay Referred you and you want to get your stuff sent over to get duracoated. They do tons of other stuff too. Just ask Edited May 13, 2013 by rayne2ravage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlackSnake99 11 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Krebs offset vfg mount Copy that. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo.M777 11 Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) Almost done!!! That looks badass!! I like how your eotech hood matches too. I noticed your stock on there as the fab defense one. I almost bought one for my Saiga. I didn't because a reputable s12 builder in my area said since its designed to absorb some of the recoil, it would cause cycling issues in an S12 so I got a tromix stock instead. Have you had any issues with yours cycling? BTW I cerakoted my saiga, and It doesn't seem to be any better than duracoat as far as durability goes. It still scratches and wears off. Its not the miracle innovation its made out to be. If you're having scratching or wear issues, it could be an application error. Was it the bake on version, or air dry? If bake on, were all the metal parts pre-heated before application? Or are the wear issues on parts that couldn't be baked? Its the bake on, and yes it was marinated in acetone and preheated and everything. I'm just saying its not invincible. I'm not having severe issues, but it has sustained a couple scratches over time. It is also white and took a few layers to get it to actually look white since its translucent, which could possibly cause weakness (unlike the black and other colors that only took one layer) Edited May 13, 2013 by Turbo.M777 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rayn2ravage 37 Posted May 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Ive had zero issues with cycling using the mako/fab recoil stocks.heck even the buffer tube is recoil absorbing so Im shooting bucks all day before i sent my parts in to pauly on here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rayn2ravage 37 Posted May 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 The guys at Sniper Co. here in Fort Wayne are handling the duracoat. Since Pauly is going to be polishing the internals I'll probably just not duracoat the BCG and the rest of them since they will have that nice glassbolt shine and what not. How do you guys feel about Duracoating vs Dipping vs cerakoting then? I hear with cerkote your options are very limited. What do you mean by limited? Both of these rifles are Cerakoted... Not just externally either. The complete reciever, in and out, op rod, Bolt (masked off the bolt face and roller only) & carrier, even the gas system were all Cerakoted. Look in the Op-rod channel on the top rifle, that was after over 500 rounds sent down range with that rifle.... looks new! No marring or wearing. Here is the gas system for an M14 done... the internals are left alone, but I even do the back end of the piston rod to protect wear there.. It is self lubricating, and I'll be doing my S12 including internals, rails and BCG with it as well when I'm done with my build. I have also done many R-10/22's including the bolts and internals on the recievers. It's very durable and you almost don't even need to lube the gun when it's there. I'm just wondering what you feel the limitations are?? I just realized there was two rifles in that picture lmao. nice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HotShot308 11 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 The guys at Sniper Co. here in Fort Wayne are handling the duracoat. Since Pauly is going to be polishing the internals I'll probably just not duracoat the BCG and the rest of them since they will have that nice glassbolt shine and what not. How do you guys feel about Duracoating vs Dipping vs cerakoting then? I hear with cerkote your options are very limited. What do you mean by limited? Both of these rifles are Cerakoted... Not just externally either. The complete reciever, in and out, op rod, Bolt (masked off the bolt face and roller only) & carrier, even the gas system were all Cerakoted. Look in the Op-rod channel on the top rifle, that was after over 500 rounds sent down range with that rifle.... looks new! No marring or wearing. Here is the gas system for an M14 done... the internals are left alone, but I even do the back end of the piston rod to protect wear there.. It is self lubricating, and I'll be doing my S12 including internals, rails and BCG with it as well when I'm done with my build. I have also done many R-10/22's including the bolts and internals on the recievers. It's very durable and you almost don't even need to lube the gun when it's there. I'm just wondering what you feel the limitations are?? I just realized there was two rifles in that picture lmao. nice Thanks, I have to be careful not to set them down in the yard... Might lose them... Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rayn2ravage 37 Posted May 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 i can imagine how annoying that would be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mxwelch 15 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 This thread is a little old but I'm looking to duracoat the parts that were machined back to match the stock color. Black should be easy right, but good grief they have about 10 different varieties. Which one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dnsguns 0 Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 The guys at Sniper Co. here in Fort Wayne are handling the duracoat. Since Pauly is going to be polishing the internals I'll probably just not duracoat the BCG and the rest of them since they will have that nice glassbolt shine and what not. How do you guys feel about Duracoating vs Dipping vs cerakoting then? I hear with cerkote your options are very limited. Cerakote used to be limited in color selection compared to duracoat but not anymore. As far as durability goes cerakote hands down. There isn't a solvent made that will touch cerakote after it is cured. Cerakote is also slick. Internals even without lube will feel slick, with a light coating of oil or grease it's whale snot slick. For the do-it-yourself guys duracoat is much more user friendly. No baking needed. Cerakote has to be cured for a minimum of 2 hours at 250. Carakote makes an air dry high temp product but it's durability is not as good as the type c oven bake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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