Saiga IN CT- When was it outlawed

[amatos 0]

So many conflciting things out there, it looks like the new law as of April 2013 included the Shotgun 12 as a Banned Item.

I was trying to look for the old list and what I found does not apear to have any Saiga items on it.

Does that seem right?

[mancat 2,368]

Who the fuck cares any more? Own it and shoot it.

 

Sorry I know this isn't helpful but I musy stay true to my heart.

[Big John! 2,062]

Who the fuck cares any more? Own it and shoot it.

 

Sorry I know this isn't helpful but I musy stay true to my heart.

Before he does this, he needs to make an educated decision on what he's getting into.  The penalties seem to be getting more brutal as the corrupt laws are enacted.  I love the sentiment.  But if this guy is going to make a stand, he'd better be ready to take it all the way to the top.  If he has a family and children, then that makes the decision tougher.

[redfish28 50]

Agreed Big John.

[DINK 1]

The Saiga was banned as of 4/4/2013.  Under the previous law, it was OK as long as it wasn't converted to use a pistol grip, as having one "evil feature" was OK back then.  Two "evil features" would make it too evil, and since it already took a detachable magazine (feature 1), the pistol grip was enough to make it too assaulty to own.

 

As of 4/4/13, the Saiga-12 is specifically named in the law.  In addition, the ability to take a detachable magazine is still an evil feature for semi-automatic shotguns, so other gauge Saigas would not be allowed either.

[Wolverine 10,360]

I will never understand the logic of banning a stock Saiga that is permissible to import under Federal law that already regulates acceptable configuration.  What do the "evil" features have to do with criminal activity involving weapons?  It's all about trying to do away with guns by whatever means necessary.

[Spartacus 1,619]

I will never understand the logic of banning a stock Saiga that is permissible to import under Federal law that already regulates acceptable configuration.  What do the "evil" features have to do with criminal activity involving weapons?  It's all about trying to do away with guns by whatever means necessary.

 

Liked.

[mancat 2,368]

I will never understand the logic of banning a stock Saiga that is permissible to import under Federal law that already regulates acceptable configuration.  What do the "evil" features have to do with criminal activity involving weapons?  It's all about trying to do away with guns by whatever means necessary.

 

Because a S-12 was in Adam Lanza's trunk.

 

No other reason.

[Whiskey 21]

The Saiga rifles are not banned and the Saiga 12 is banned by name. Izmash does not make a rifle named "Izmash Saiga AK" which is in the banned by name list. Saiga rifles are still legal to buy and sell and there was NO need to register them.

 

 

(Any of the following specified semiautomatic centerfire rifles, or copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such rifles, that were in production prior to or on the effective date of this section: (i) AK-47; (ii) AK-74; (iii) AKM; (iv) AKS-74U; (v) ARM; (vi) MAADI AK47; (vii) MAK90; (viii) MISR; (ix) NHM90 and NHM91; (x) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S and 86S; (xi) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47; (xii) SA 85; (xiii) SA 93; (xiv) VEPR; (xv) WASR-10; (xvi) WUM; (xvii) Rock River Arms LAR-47; (xviii) Vector Arms AK-47; (xix) AR-10; (xx) AR-15; (xxi) Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster XM15, Bushmaster ACR Rifles, Bushmaster MOE Rifles; (xxii) Colt Match Target Rifles; (xxiii) Armalite M15; (xxiv) Olympic Arms AR-15, A1, CAR, PCR, K3B, K30R, K16, K48, K8 and K9 Rifles; (xxv) DPMS Tactical Rifles; (xxvi) Smith and Wesson M&P15 Rifles; (xxvii) Rock River Arms LAR-15; (xxviii) Doublestar AR Rifles; (xxix) Barrett REC7; (xxx) Beretta Storm; (xxxi) Calico Liberty 50, 50 Tactical, 100, 100 Tactical, I, I Tactical, II and II Tactical Rifles; (xxxii) Hi-Point Carbine Rifles; (xxxiii) HK-PSG-1; (xxxiv) Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU Rifles, and RFB; (xxxv) Remington Tactical Rifle Model 7615; (xxxvi) SAR-8, SAR-4800 and SR9; (xxxvii) SLG 95; (xxxviii) SLR 95 or 96; (xxxix) TNW M230 and M2HB; (xl) Vector Arms UZI; (xli) Galil and Galil Sporter; (xlii) Daewoo AR 100 and AR 110C; (xliii) Fabrique Nationale/FN 308 Match and L1A1 Sporter; (xliv) HK USC; (xlv) IZHMASH Saiga AK; (xlvi) SIG Sauer 551-A1, 556, 516, 716 and M400 Rifles; (xlvii) Valmet M62S, M71S and M78S; (xlviii) Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine; and (xlix) Barrett M107A1;

 

 

 

(D) Any of the following semiautomatic shotguns, or copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such shotguns, that were in production prior to or on the effective date of this section: All IZHMASH Saiga 12 Shotguns;

 

[Big John! 2,062]

The Saiga rifles are not banned and the Saiga 12 is banned by name. Izmash does not make a rifle named "Izmash Saiga AK" which is in the banned by name list. Saiga rifles are still legal to buy and sell and there was NO need to register them.

 

 

(Any of the following specified semiautomatic centerfire rifles, or copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such rifles, that were in production prior to or on the effective date of this section: (i) AK-47; (ii) AK-74; (iii) AKM; (iv) AKS-74U; (v) ARM; (vi) MAADI AK47; (vii) MAK90; (viii) MISR; (ix) NHM90 and NHM91; (x) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S and 86S; (xi) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47; (xii) SA 85; (xiii) SA 93; (xiv) VEPR; (xv) WASR-10; (xvi) WUM; (xvii) Rock River Arms LAR-47; (xviii) Vector Arms AK-47; (xix) AR-10; (xx) AR-15; (xxi) Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster XM15, Bushmaster ACR Rifles, Bushmaster MOE Rifles; (xxii) Colt Match Target Rifles; (xxiii) Armalite M15; (xxiv) Olympic Arms AR-15, A1, CAR, PCR, K3B, K30R, K16, K48, K8 and K9 Rifles; (xxv) DPMS Tactical Rifles; (xxvi) Smith and Wesson M&P15 Rifles; (xxvii) Rock River Arms LAR-15; (xxviii) Doublestar AR Rifles; (xxix) Barrett REC7; (xxx) Beretta Storm; (xxxi) Calico Liberty 50, 50 Tactical, 100, 100 Tactical, I, I Tactical, II and II Tactical Rifles; (xxxii) Hi-Point Carbine Rifles; (xxxiii) HK-PSG-1; (xxxiv) Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU Rifles, and RFB; (xxxv) Remington Tactical Rifle Model 7615; (xxxvi) SAR-8, SAR-4800 and SR9; (xxxvii) SLG 95; (xxxviii) SLR 95 or 96; (xxxix) TNW M230 and M2HB; (xl) Vector Arms UZI; (xli) Galil and Galil Sporter; (xlii) Daewoo AR 100 and AR 110C; (xliii) Fabrique Nationale/FN 308 Match and L1A1 Sporter; (xliv) HK USC; (xlv) IZHMASH Saiga AK; (xlvi) SIG Sauer 551-A1, 556, 516, 716 and M400 Rifles; (xlvii) Valmet M62S, M71S and M78S; (xlviii) Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine; and (xlix) Barrett M107A1;

 

 

 

(D) Any of the following semiautomatic shotguns, or copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such shotguns, that were in production prior to or on the effective date of this section: All IZHMASH Saiga 12 Shotguns;

Edited January 10, 2014 by Big John!

[Whiskey 21]

Point is? Find me the Izhmash Saiga AK that Izhmash makes by name that I can not copy form.

 

 

http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/weapon.shtml

[Voltia 375]

 

I will never understand the logic of banning a stock Saiga that is permissible to import under Federal law that already regulates acceptable configuration.  What do the "evil" features have to do with criminal activity involving weapons?  It's all about trying to do away with guns by whatever means necessary.

 

Because a S-12 was in Adam Lanza's trunk.

 

No other reason.

 

 

If I may, sir. "Because we are led to believe a Saiga-12 was in..." etc etc.

 

I don't like the discrepancies in the portrayal of events of that day.

[storm6490 2,768]

 

I will never understand the logic of banning a stock Saiga that is permissible to import under Federal law that already regulates acceptable configuration.  What do the "evil" features have to do with criminal activity involving weapons?  It's all about trying to do away with guns by whatever means necessary.

 

Because a S-12 was in placed in Adam Lanza's Chris Rodia's trunk.

 

No other reason.

 

[Wolverine 10,360]

Or you could believe this guys explanation of what went down....

 

http://joequinn.net/2013/01/11/sandy-hook-and-christopher-rodia-most-conspiracy-theorists-cant-think/

 

Or this debunking:

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

 

Or one of the many unproven conspiracy theories floating around on the net.

 

The only thing that supports a conspiracy is the lack of photographic evidence of the slain children which I'm sure was withheld because of the evidence of the horror of open slaughter of children and out of respect for the families.  You don't have to see their brains splattered all over the floor to affirm your opinion one way or the other.

 

To me the Lanza story is quite plausible.  His mother was a fool to leave weapons unsecured around the house knowing her son suffered from serious disabilities including severe emotional problems.  He killed her first and God only knows why he chose children next other than they were easy targets.  In the end he took the cowards way out by pulling the trigger on himself when he was cornered.  Is that so hard to believe?  That case was not about taking our rights away.  It was about a mental defective.  The liberals made it out to be an anti gun thing because it fit their narrative.  No one seriously believes you can stop mass killings by banning "assault" weapons.  You could do as much or more damage with a pump shotgun when no one is in a position to defend or protect themselves. 

 

Not everything is a freakin conspiracy....but that is my $0.02.

[poolingmyignorance 2,191]

Not everything is a conspiracy, but when nobody believes a conspiracy is possible, it's easier to pull off.

I'm sure children were killed. But honestly this whole thing played out like gun control porn. Then add in the inept and corrupt media, not hard to see how things can spiral out of context. Assuming there was a ever an intention to maintain one.

Of course the bizarre behavior of Robbie Parker, the corner, and what about the guy "the Hunter" apprehended in the woods shouting " I didn't do it"? None of that was ever addressed.

[Wolverine 10,360]

Not everything is a conspiracy, but when nobody believes a conspiracy is possible, it's easier to pull off.

I'm sure children were killed. But honestly this whole thing played out like gun control porn. Then add in the inept and corrupt media, not hard to see how things can spiral out of context. Assuming there was a ever an intention to maintain one.

Of course the bizarre behavior of Robbie Parker, the corner, and what about the guy "the Hunter" apprehended in the woods shouting " I didn't do it"? None of that was ever addressed.

 

The coroner was in over his head.  He had never seen anything like it.  Nor had he ever had such intense scrutiny by the press or the public.  In short, he did not know what he was doing under the circumstances.  They should have sent in deep experience and more than one coroner to do the job.  Hind sight is 20/20.

 

Do you actually believe there are antis out there that would have killed all those children to sway America to their cherished point of view that all guns should be melted down and made into bicycles or something else green?

 

As for the alleged "hunter", don't you think some State investigator would have chased that down, got all the facts and ruled out any culpability?

 

I do think it was a criminal conspiracy of sorts.  While Lanza's mother did not have foreknowledge of his intended crimes, I think Lanza's mother was guilty of a crime for failing to secure her weapons from her nutbag son and that her son was an off his rocker killer.  

[Gaddis 1,689]

Do you actually believe there are antis out there that would have killed all those children to sway America to their cherished point of view that all guns should be melted down and made into bicycles or something else green?

 

Anything's possible.  These are the same tards who go apeshit when a kid bites his pop tart into an "L" shape, and confiscate plastic weapons from a childs G.I. Joe doll before they can board a airplane.

 

Remember, some of these same types seem to idolize Joseph Goebbels (and other Nazi's) too with the ways they disseminate their lies and misinformation.   

 

Besides, pics, or it didn't happen.  I've seen Kurt Cobain's blown apart head posted online along with Tupac's corpse with a bunch of holes poked in him, and even photos of Jodi Arias's nasty alien face hugger looking snatch.  Additionally, I've seen pictures of dead kids posted online already where no one's made a fuss.   Nothing's too shocking or sacred anymore for posting on the Internet.

Edited January 17, 2014 by Gaddis

[Wolverine 10,360]

 

Do you actually believe there are antis out there that would have killed all those children to sway America to their cherished point of view that all guns should be melted down and made into bicycles or something else green?

 

Anything's possible.  These are the same tards who go apeshit when a kid bites his pop tart into an "L" shape, and confiscate plastic weapons from a childs G.I. Joe doll before they can board a airplane.

 

Remember, some of these same types seem to idolize Joseph Goebbels (and other Nazi's) too with the ways they disseminate their lies and misinformation.   

 

Besides, pics, or it didn't happen.  I've seen Kurt Cobain's blown apart head posted online along with Tupac's corpse with a bunch of holes poked in him, and even photos of Jodi Arias's nasty alien face hugger looking snatch.  Additionally, I've seen pictures of dead kids posted online already where no one's made a fuss.   Nothing's too shocking or sacred anymore for posting on the Internet.

 

 

Possible, yes.  Likely, no.

 

If pictures would have been released and posted there would have been lawsuits, firings and an outcry by the families and many from the public in support of those families.  Anybody releasing those pictures would have been vilified beyond belief.  That event rose to a national tragedy level that exceeded or gained more attention than all the soldiers who died in Iraq and Afghanistan together and the liberals capitalized on it.  It was the slaughter of innocent children.

[poolingmyignorance 2,191]

Do I actually believe that some douche in politics would be willing to have children killed and find some or multiple rubes to carry it out?

Waco,Ruby Ridge,how many home invasions(dynamic entries) do we have to go cover?

[Gaddis 1,689]

Do I actually believe that some douche in politics would be willing to have children killed and find some or multiple rubes to carry it out?

Waco,Ruby Ridge,how many home invasions(dynamic entries) do we have to go cover?

Good point.  Should of thought about those incidents in my rant yesterday.

 

Let's not forget about the city sanctioned MOVE bombing in 1985 in Philadelphia either that killed five children either, although I really don't feel that remorseful for the adults in that incident there.

[Gaddis 1,689]

Besides, it was Chris Christie who ultimately leaked the Sandy Hook crime scene photos.  See, now everyone (including the Libs) are happy.