TronJohn 1 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 What is the most discreet, yet legal area to engrave the SBS Trust info on? My Form 1 should be approved very very soon & then it's off to Tromix for an 8" conversion. Doesn't it have to be engraved a certain depth? Any suggestions on who to send it to? I'm in Ohio & I think there's an engraver or two in the state, but any more options makes it that much faster. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Mark 2,452 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 I've never had the good fortune to contract Tony but I imagine he would be the best person to answer this question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TronJohn 1 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 His machine is only setup to do them on the side of the magwell. (I think that's the area) So looking to see what others suggest as a discreet, yet lawful area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Mark 2,452 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 if it was my S12 I-would want to have the Tromix Mark as prominent as possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 inside the trigger guard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
negev5021 25 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) I have mine on the bottom, in front of the magwell - you dont have to really take anything apart and its pretty discreet. It has to be .003 in depth and no smaller than 1/16th type (which is really small): Edited June 25, 2014 by negev5021 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TronJohn 1 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) if it was my S12 I-would want to have the Tromix Mark as prominent as possible. As I mentioned in my original post this is being engraved with MY Trust info. Tromix is not engraving their info on it and he can only engrave on the magwell and I'd rather have my info engraved in a discreet location. (Although having Tromix engrave their name somewhere on there isn't a bad idea) inside the trigger guard This isn't a bad idea, but can all info required for SBS be engraved on this small of an area? I have mine on the bottom, in front of the magwell - you dont have to really take anything apart and its pretty discreet. It has to be .003 in depth and no smaller than 1/16th type (which is really small): This seems like a decent area, is it covered by the hand guard at all? (Is it legal to have it in an area where the hand guard covers? What are the other places people have done their engravings? Are you missing your handguard in this pic? Edited June 25, 2014 by TronJohn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
negev5021 25 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Yes the handguard is off - but it ends at the top and the text is not covered up (you cant have it covered) here it is complete: Edited June 25, 2014 by negev5021 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) if you are sending that off to a SOT, then he is going to have to log it in as a NFA item, do the modification and he is going to have to engrave his company on it. so there is no reason to send it off prior to that for engraving. Edited June 25, 2014 by Matthew Hopkins Quote Link to post Share on other sites
negev5021 25 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) I thought the same thing, but the OP says he is waiting for the form 1 to return, meaning he is the builder. It will be registered as an SBS before it hits Tromix. I would have sent it to Tromix to convert and have them register and form 4 it out to end user - with their name as the maker. I bet if you send it with a 18" barrel they can engrave your info on it. Edited June 25, 2014 by negev5021 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TronJohn 1 Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) Does anyone have suggestions on who to send this off to in order to have my Trust info engraved on the front of the magwell or even inside of the trigger guard like Ben suggests? I'd like someone that has a nice setup so the engraving looks really professional and well done. Maybe even laser engraving? Ben Vampatella - do you have any pics of the engraving done inside the trigger guard? Edited July 23, 2014 by TronJohn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Mobes 1 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 This is who I use, you might ask them if they do SBS for Saigas, likely they do. Very professional work. Turnaround for me was usually about two weeks. http://identmarking.com/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Mobes 1 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 I also have a question, what is the legality of filing a form one but sending i t to have the work done? I want to do that with my S12. Last time I had an SBR built, I was charged for the builders Form 1, the Form 3 and then a Form 4. It was a parts kit Bulgy AKS-74U, well worth the money but every turn was painful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 You can always take your weapon into a local engraver. They are very good at printing on many types of metal. Most will do it right there with you so you are not in posession of it. If your corporate ID is not a family name, no reason to hide it. Put it fore or aft of the magazine and call it a day. You may have to show your papers to the storm troopers some day and if you clear and turn it over with your trust engraved on it, 9 times out of 10 you will not have to dig the copy of paperwork out of your buttstock. negev stated the regs for the font or size and process. lazer does not cut it. a good engraver will impact the metal and even if filed down, the metal can be xrayed and the old serial or engraving will be visible. Congrats on your new firearm. May it serve your officers for many generations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TronJohn 1 Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I'm on the hunt for a local engraver, but still not opposed to shipping the saiga out to be done. I looked at indentmarking.com website: http://identmarking.com/index.php/faq Says they do their engraving via laser & get the .003 depth just fine? (I could be misreading it & will give them a call on monday to get a definitive answer.) My trust is my family name, not a corporate one, so I would like it as discreet as possible. Inside the trigger guard sounds really good, anyone have pics or know if this can be done properly/well? Again I will ask indentmarking this suggestions as well. Tromix is going to put a new trigger guard on with their modifications, should I remove the old trigger guard so that the engraving can be done very easy & professional? Or would a place like indent be able to do it for me without having to remove the standard trigger guard? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 I don't know where you are located, but this is who I use: http://www.veritasmachiningllc.com/ He can engrave up to 1/32" deep, way deeper than the .003 required by law. He has an FFL too. Tell him Corbin (the lightsaber guy) sent you. LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TronJohn 1 Posted July 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I found a place that is highly recommended that is 6 minutes from me. He does engraving via CNC. Obviously he can easily get to the front of the magwell, but I am going to try & have him engrave inside the trigger guard. If his machine can't engrave it there without first removing the trigger guard, I will see if he can easily/quickly/cleaning drill out the rivets to remove it. It's being sent to Tromix for a conversion anyways so it's going to need to be removed. If he can't do that, I'm not really setup with a good vice in order to drill it myself so I might just go with the front of the magwell. I was trying to compare the areas last night & it's a toss up really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 I would get the engraving impacted but what do I know? A laser or CNC job can be filed off. The impacted method will leave an ID all they way to the other side of the metal in case of theft with a file. They do send filed off weapons to a lab to identify them. If it's on the shit list you get it back so long as the criminal didn't use it in another crime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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