Civil forfeiture=Profit motives

[pjj342 632]

No surprises here, just good old state sanctioned theft.  http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-wish-list-when-deciding-which-assets-to-seize.html?referrer=&_r=0

http://www.buzzfeed.com/nicks29/aif-in-doubtatake-ita-behind-closed-doors-4y3w

[james lambert 3,059]

Cherry pick 45 seconds of a 6 hr presentation to make an incorrect assumption.That fits an anti law enforcement ideology .

 

And those 45 seconds are sarcasm 

 

in santa fe N.M. from 2009 to present 2500 vehicles were siezed from drunk drivers.

Only 500 were forfeit, over 2000 were returned to the owners depending on their circumstances.

Many were returned with interlocks provided.

 

This program is not what some people want you to think it is.

 

At the end of the 6 hr program over an hour of ethics training in implementation of said policy

 

at least watch the first 15 minutes to get a more realistic idea of the truth

 

Or swallow bs hook line and sinker

[Sim_Player 1,939]

I like the idea of mandatory prison time AND vehicle confiscation, especially with the new Marijuana deregulation (which I support).

 

DUI is a deadly serious subject. More so than gun violence.

Edited November 10, 2014 by Sim_Player

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

Remove the power and the temptation and ability to abuse it vanishes.

 

There is no doubt it is abused by some, simple fact of life. 

 

Get the damned conviction first.

[pjj342 632]

First and foremost, the system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  Taking and holding personal property until a person is proven guilty is unbelievably irresponsible.  Cars especially, are items that have a direct impact upon the wellbeing of a family.  No car, no work, no money, no house....hello welfare.  The wife who needs to work because her drunk husband is in prison for dui's, probably needs a car more than the greedy fucks who stole it.

[james lambert 3,059]

First and foremost, the system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  Taking and holding personal property until a person is proven guilty is unbelievably irresponsible.  Cars especially, are items that have a direct impact upon the wellbeing of a family.  No car, no work, no money, no house....hello welfare.  The wife who needs to work because her drunk husband is in prison for dui's, probably needs a car more than the greedy fucks who stole it.

watch the video those things were and are taken into account at least here in N.M.

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

 

First and foremost, the system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  Taking and holding personal property until a person is proven guilty is unbelievably irresponsible.  Cars especially, are items that have a direct impact upon the wellbeing of a family.  No car, no work, no money, no house....hello welfare.  The wife who needs to work because her drunk husband is in prison for dui's, probably needs a car more than the greedy fucks who stole it.

watch the video those things were and are taken into account at least here in N.M.

 

 

We all here know how the world works, and knowing that... it is clear having that kind of legislated power is in and of itself abuse of the public trust.

 

Why?

 

Just for giggles see how many reasons that this, above, position is feasible.

 

Imagine how our ancestors would address the issue.

Seriously if we cant get this kind of stuff right it doesn't bode well for us.

[G O B 3,516]

Confiscation without adjudication  = Police State.

 

 Democracy is very ill, if not dead in America

[james lambert 3,059]

Confiscation without adjudication  = Police State.

 

 Democracy is very ill, if not dead in America

America is NOT a democracy   its a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws.

 

In this instance the claim is BS!!!!  listen to the seminar

[G O B 3,516]

Bullshit on you! Confiscation without adjudication is not a tool of any HONEST Government. Your computer is a tool for drug dealing, i want it. I take it. PROVE me wrong! We USED to have a 4th amendment. It is no longer enforceable.

[pjj342 632]

It doesnt matter which state does it which way.  Maybe one state is a little better than the next, or one is a whole lot worse than the last, thats not the point.  The fact that it happens at all is disgusting, and if it happens mostly to those who break the law, it happens sometimes to the innocent.

 Its simply unacceptable.

 

 Also, I could wipe my ass with the article and have never watched the video, and still realize this shit is taking place.  Why?  Because its common knowledge to anyone who pays attention.  People are pulled over everyday by a fallible/ corruptible human with power, claiming suspicion of something or proof of something else.  The operative word is claiming, since no one gets everything right all the time, even if we do feel like we are doing the right things.  When immoral laws are viewed in the scope 'helping society', then good cops automatically do bad things, because its their job to follow the law.

 

State sanctioned theft is the essence of tyranny, even when they tell us its for our own good.

Edited November 11, 2014 by Boomsick42

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

In particular when they claim it is for our own collective good.

 

It is logically indefensible, well unless one was to be honest about it's true purpose and then it becomes logically evil.

[haugpatr 972]

Confiscation sets up a conflict of interest, this is a very bad idea that will progressively get worse, just like everything else the government does.

[uzitiger 193]

First and foremost, the system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  Taking and holding personal property until a person is proven guilty is unbelievably irresponsible.  Cars especially, are items that have a direct impact upon the wellbeing of a family.  No car, no work, no money, no house....hello welfare.  The wife who needs to work because her drunk husband is in prison for dui's, probably needs a car more than the greedy fucks who stole it.

 

That was true before the law was enacted and the Supreme Court said that it did not violate the Fourth Amendment.  This is nothing but legalized government theft.

 

Remove the power and the temptation and ability to abuse it vanishes.

 

There is no doubt it is abused by some, simple fact of life. 

 

Get the damned conviction first.

 

This is what the Founding Fathers wanted to prevent in the first place.

 

Nineteen years ago I read about some county near Monroe, La. where the police target motorists to confiscate their vehicles and the local prosecutor drives a Corvette taken in a bust. One man not only had his car taken but he was charged with possession of drugs because their drug sniffing dog found a trace in the ash tray.  Now that man has a conviction and it cost him $7,000 in fines in addition to the car taken. This opens the door to police corruption to enrich the department (and probably some officers as well).