pjj342 632 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 No surprises here, just good old state sanctioned theft. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-wish-list-when-deciding-which-assets-to-seize.html?referrer=&_r=0 http://www.buzzfeed.com/nicks29/aif-in-doubtatake-ita-behind-closed-doors-4y3w 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Cherry pick 45 seconds of a 6 hr presentation to make an incorrect assumption.That fits an anti law enforcement ideology . And those 45 seconds are sarcasm in santa fe N.M. from 2009 to present 2500 vehicles were siezed from drunk drivers. Only 500 were forfeit, over 2000 were returned to the owners depending on their circumstances. Many were returned with interlocks provided. This program is not what some people want you to think it is. At the end of the 6 hr program over an hour of ethics training in implementation of said policy at least watch the first 15 minutes to get a more realistic idea of the truth Or swallow bs hook line and sinker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I like the idea of mandatory prison time AND vehicle confiscation, especially with the new Marijuana deregulation (which I support). DUI is a deadly serious subject. More so than gun violence. Edited November 10, 2014 by Sim_Player 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Remove the power and the temptation and ability to abuse it vanishes. There is no doubt it is abused by some, simple fact of life. Get the damned conviction first. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pjj342 632 Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 First and foremost, the system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Taking and holding personal property until a person is proven guilty is unbelievably irresponsible. Cars especially, are items that have a direct impact upon the wellbeing of a family. No car, no work, no money, no house....hello welfare. The wife who needs to work because her drunk husband is in prison for dui's, probably needs a car more than the greedy fucks who stole it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 First and foremost, the system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Taking and holding personal property until a person is proven guilty is unbelievably irresponsible. Cars especially, are items that have a direct impact upon the wellbeing of a family. No car, no work, no money, no house....hello welfare. The wife who needs to work because her drunk husband is in prison for dui's, probably needs a car more than the greedy fucks who stole it. watch the video those things were and are taken into account at least here in N.M. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 First and foremost, the system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Taking and holding personal property until a person is proven guilty is unbelievably irresponsible. Cars especially, are items that have a direct impact upon the wellbeing of a family. No car, no work, no money, no house....hello welfare. The wife who needs to work because her drunk husband is in prison for dui's, probably needs a car more than the greedy fucks who stole it. watch the video those things were and are taken into account at least here in N.M. We all here know how the world works, and knowing that... it is clear having that kind of legislated power is in and of itself abuse of the public trust. Why? Just for giggles see how many reasons that this, above, position is feasible. Imagine how our ancestors would address the issue. Seriously if we cant get this kind of stuff right it doesn't bode well for us. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Confiscation without adjudication = Police State. Democracy is very ill, if not dead in America 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Confiscation without adjudication = Police State. Democracy is very ill, if not dead in America America is NOT a democracy its a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. In this instance the claim is BS!!!! listen to the seminar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Bullshit on you! Confiscation without adjudication is not a tool of any HONEST Government. Your computer is a tool for drug dealing, i want it. I take it. PROVE me wrong! We USED to have a 4th amendment. It is no longer enforceable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pjj342 632 Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) It doesnt matter which state does it which way. Maybe one state is a little better than the next, or one is a whole lot worse than the last, thats not the point. The fact that it happens at all is disgusting, and if it happens mostly to those who break the law, it happens sometimes to the innocent. Its simply unacceptable. Also, I could wipe my ass with the article and have never watched the video, and still realize this shit is taking place. Why? Because its common knowledge to anyone who pays attention. People are pulled over everyday by a fallible/ corruptible human with power, claiming suspicion of something or proof of something else. The operative word is claiming, since no one gets everything right all the time, even if we do feel like we are doing the right things. When immoral laws are viewed in the scope 'helping society', then good cops automatically do bad things, because its their job to follow the law. State sanctioned theft is the essence of tyranny, even when they tell us its for our own good. Edited November 11, 2014 by Boomsick42 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 In particular when they claim it is for our own collective good. It is logically indefensible, well unless one was to be honest about it's true purpose and then it becomes logically evil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Confiscation sets up a conflict of interest, this is a very bad idea that will progressively get worse, just like everything else the government does. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 First and foremost, the system is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Taking and holding personal property until a person is proven guilty is unbelievably irresponsible. Cars especially, are items that have a direct impact upon the wellbeing of a family. No car, no work, no money, no house....hello welfare. The wife who needs to work because her drunk husband is in prison for dui's, probably needs a car more than the greedy fucks who stole it. That was true before the law was enacted and the Supreme Court said that it did not violate the Fourth Amendment. This is nothing but legalized government theft. Remove the power and the temptation and ability to abuse it vanishes. There is no doubt it is abused by some, simple fact of life. Get the damned conviction first. This is what the Founding Fathers wanted to prevent in the first place. Nineteen years ago I read about some county near Monroe, La. where the police target motorists to confiscate their vehicles and the local prosecutor drives a Corvette taken in a bust. One man not only had his car taken but he was charged with possession of drugs because their drug sniffing dog found a trace in the ash tray. Now that man has a conviction and it cost him $7,000 in fines in addition to the car taken. This opens the door to police corruption to enrich the department (and probably some officers as well). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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