XD45 7,124 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) I've been eyeing the DDI AKs and very tempted to "pull the trigger" but now I'm glad I didn't because they have exactly the rifle I want coming in a few months, and it will be 100% US made. http://jerkingthetrigger.com/2016/01/15/ak105-style-gas-blocks-in-production-at-ddi/ Edited February 7, 2016 by Darth Saigus 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Wow, very nice and thank you. I wonder if they will have a version with the front site up on the barrel end where it belongs plus the option of having an adjustable and cleanable gas block.? American Walnut linseed oil finish natural wood would be very nice also. Also a true left hand version? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Since I plan to cut and pin the barrel the front sight gas block is exactly what I want. Not to worry though. I seriously doubt DDI is going to stop making old school AKs.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) The wannabe Saiga is made in China. Instant NO-GO. The wording and mash up in the interview on the receiver hinted towards forged but they said milled which relates to the receiver. All they had to do was say FORGED TRUNNION and I would be on board for an all US made AK just because. Import all that chink shit you want. It just makes our Saiga's worth so much more. Edited February 10, 2016 by Stryker0946 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 This post is about the rifle not the shotgun. The rifle is made in the US. The shotgun is Chinese. Are you drinking tequila tonight, or just in a pissy mood? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Why would they make the rifle in the U.S., but have the shotgun made in China? It doesn't make sense.Furthermore,hopefully they will have a 5.45 AK offering in this configuration, I imagine they will. Edited February 10, 2016 by scattergun10 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Why would they make the rifle in the U.S., but have the shotgun made in China? It doesn't make sense.Furthermore,hopefully they will have a 5.45 AK offering in this configuration, I imagine they will. Market share. They are building the rifles for the bigger market. I don't think DDI developed the chinese shotgun. I think the company more or less had the product ready to go and approached them as an importer, then DDI requested things like the left side handle, dimples, and dovetailed front sight. DDI is building their brand around good quality, so I expect these will be better made than a lot of the conjecture implies. While I am sure they cherry picked the samples for shot show, the people who handled them said the internals looked much better than the Kitties. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 ^^^ im soooooooooooooo reluctant though. and shot show is for hype. if they said, ya, same junk diff day, the facade would fall away Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I was pissy, not drunk! Chink shotgun =NO GO. I was a little tired but the interview was unclear if they were talking about a forged receiver or trunnion. Does the rifle have a forged or cast trunnion? I could not find the answer in the video or the website. Nor online. Can't think straight when tired and cranky. I'll try again for the answer later. If it's cast, I will pass. The novelty isn't worth my beautiful face. Ha ha. Why would they make the rifle in the U.S., but have the shotgun made in China? It doesn't make sense.Furthermore,hopefully they will have a 5.45 AK offering in this configuration, I imagine they will. Because it's easy to build a decent AK and difficult and expensive to tool up and make a Saiga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 IIRC neither. I think I saw a factory tour a couple months back in which DDI the guy had some CNC mills making trunnions. He said something about the reject rate on surplus ones messing up delivery schedules and screwing up the bottom line. Basically it was cheaper to mill them from bar stock to higher spec than deal with rejects and having to sort several different standards to fit parts. Even theoretically identical national kits had variances which meant fitting and modification for assembly, which is expensive. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Hmm, so its not forged. It's milled something. I guess I will pass. I don't shoot American quality factory ammo. I shoot random bags of surplus crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Forged VS milled is less important than WHAT was forged or milled. The properties and alloy of the steel is more important than how it was formed. Forged from GOOD steel is always best, but forged from 'boron steel' is FAR weaker than milled plow steel, and will crack and fail far sooner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Machinist 150 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 IIRC neither. I think I saw a factory tour a couple months back in which DDI the guy had some CNC mills making trunnions. He said something about the reject rate on surplus ones messing up delivery schedules and screwing up the bottom line. Basically it was cheaper to mill them from bar stock to higher spec than deal with rejects and having to sort several different standards to fit parts. Even theoretically identical national kits had variances which meant fitting and modification for assembly, which is expensive. Forgings starts life out as bar stock. The forge process is either cold or warm forged metal. Basically the forge press smashes the metal to tighten the micro grain stucture of the metal, final machining will be required on bar stock or forged parts. Bar stock or forgings with the correct alloy (metalergy chemistry) along with proper heat-treatment will be a good choice over cast metal. I think most folks would surprised how many parts are cast metal in the AR-15/10 rifles. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Yes, but not every milled part is milled from a casting or a forging. Some are just from raw rectangular sections of steel. Those of course can come from the mill with a huge range of properties. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Milled from a forging that approximates the final shape creates a grain flow that follows the shape of the part. Milled from a forged billet is what most forged parts really are, that is just a big hunk of steel mashed to compact the crystalline structure. Then you have milled from a hunk of rolled steel, Then there is cast. ALL ARE OBSOLETE!!! The advent of 3D (additive manufacturing) will make most of the above as anachronistic as button down basketball shoes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Milled from a forging that approximates the final shape creates a grain flow that follows the shape of the part. Milled from a forged billet is what most forged parts really are, that is just a big hunk of steel mashed to compact the crystalline structure. Then you have milled from a hunk of rolled steel, Then there is cast. ALL ARE OBSOLETE!!! The advent of 3D (additive manufacturing) will make most of the above as anachronistic as button down basketball shoes! printed assembly is very slow compared to forgings or cast and with rare exceptions has far less strength than the MIM that gun people ignorantly like to crap on. (There's MIM and then there's MIM... A good casting can be stronger than a mediocre forging.) p.s. I play with 3d printed stuff and micro milling on a regular basis. I'm not really up to the CAD skills necessary to generate my own G-code, but I am up to speed with the hobby and industrial aspects of these methods. Printing is good for complex shapes you can't get a tool inside. It's also good for one off manufacture of things which don't need to be strong. For everything else, it is weaker, more costly and slower. However, there has been some good tech in printing ceramic molds for injection molding complex shapes you can't do with other tools, and having high precision casting which don't need internal galleries, etc. Milled out. i.e. places you couldn't get a tool into. Then the ceramic is sonically shattered and washed out of the casting. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Wow, thanks for the basic metal shop info but I still have no clue what that fucking trunnion is made from! J/K bit seriously, they would mention it if it wasn't some piece of questionable shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 My point is that the QUALITY of the material is more important that the manufacturing method. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 The steel used in today's Chinese made firearms is junk, too soft. It's not the same quality as back in the day on the old Polytech AKs, for example. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I've been eyeing the DDI AKs and very tempted to "pull the trigger" but now I'm glad I didn't because they have exactly the rifle I want coming in a few months, and it will be 100% US made. DDI-AK-proto.jpg DDI-AK-proto-2.jpg http://jerkingthetrigger.com/2016/01/15/ak105-style-gas-blocks-in-production-at-ddi/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 2-3 weeks out now. I'm pretty damned excited about a US AK with properly forged parts. I hope it lives up to the hype. Quote from DDI on ackfiles: 899 MAP on base gun. So add a folding stock is 5O bucks more. If we get CHF barrels then another 50 bucks more if my price holds. I don't think a grand is out of line. Street price should be a bit lower once the rush is over. Assuming there isn't an executive order banning semi-autos before then... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig2n_g8jVxg&feature=youtu.be Edited October 8, 2016 by Darth Saigus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 This group better peddle fast. looks more like the left is going to win in November. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Machinist 150 Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 If the metal is suspect (chemistry,tensile strength, elasticity,ect) may be an issue with longevity of the rifle. Without answers I'm not will to spend a grand. You can find Saiga AKs for $1100..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 And veprs for 850.... Everything is replaceable so not that biga deal no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 "Big deal" is a matter of opinion. One size does not fit all. Don't want one, don't buy one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 im just annoyed at them for stinking their name on that fury clone.... im not telling you how much milk to put on your cheerios, so.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted October 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 I choose not to focus on that. There was money to be made and I'm all for capitalism so I can't fault them for making some money, even if the product isn't something I'm interested in. Putting their name on it does diminish the brand imo but their trademark, their decision. I still want one of their forged AKs. Cut and pin the barrel for a nice handy package. I think they should offer a pinned version as a factory option. Only problem is choosing a muzzle device that would have broad appeal. Just not a 74 brake PLEASE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 You don't like the '74 brake? Mostly I think a modernized AK should be threaded in one of the common thread patterns so you have your choice of comps or cans without any stupid adapters. Comps are simple tech and should be cheap. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted November 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Rob Ski takes a look at the 47S. Everything looks great. He thinks they should have used "modern" barrel threads. I have no problem with the use of 14-1 threads. Standard AK and lots of options if you want to change it. But here's the BIG surprise... Weight is 6lb 4oz. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,218 Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 In stock now at PSA for $899. Curious about your review if you decide to pick one up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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