Spacehog

Congrats Evl. Being able to make a living doing what you want to do is priceless in terms of its effects on our health, attitude, and mental well being. Good to hear you giving glory to God, and I look forward to seeing what you are going to turn out of your shop now that you have more time.

Just an FYI, Henry has their Heirloom rifle sale going on again until October 31st. If you ever wanted to customize a firearm alpha numeric serial number for a special occasion here is you chance. I got the notification through Sportsman Outdoor Superstore, which is also where I bought the original rifles above for my daughters. You may be able to order directly through Henry as well. The rifles I received from the last special like this were truly presentation grade. ETA. Gunfun the sights were top notch on the two rifles I received, no issues with either.

Here is an old Atlantic link to the Sporter Saiga with AK hand guards already installed (IZ332). Boba did the back conversion himself. https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/saiga-iz-332-100-series-russian-ak47-rifle

True, but sometimes it's easier to just be helpful than to continue to be belligerent. Now everyone can move on and the answer to the question is saved in a forum thread for future reference.

I do not see caliber mentioned. If they are 7.62 x39, then the two rifles you have were imported/sold as model Saiga IZ-332. As previously stated, the value is based on what the market will bear or how badly somebody wants them. ETA: The 5.45x39 versions were IZ 340.

Finally got around to finishing up my last two stamps. At some point in time, I will swap out the rear trunnion on the PAP for a proper triangle setup but am ready to enjoy them now for the time being

A modified double hook G2 in a Saiga (single hook) receiver can be a terrific trigger on the cheap. The bottom of the second hook is ground to act as a stop to limit the amount of over travel. I believe that Gunfun still has the mock up of the modification in his signature line if you are interested in more info on it. I have double hooks in all my Saigas along with a couple of spares in the parts bin. Be advised though you will still have to remove the hump and material on the side for BHO as Evl already alluded to for the Saiga 12.

MM, I do not disagree with you, except that the UTG Pro’s will uninstall and will return to zero. But that is not really the issue here is it? Come on guys (HB included). We all have different experiences and different opinions. Not everybody can afford to spend $250 on a side mount. For that matter not everyone can afford to spend $250 on optics period minus the mount. My experience with the MI rail was that I could not get multiple rings to tighten down. MI customer service blew me off like I was an idiot. I won’t buy their crap anymore, but I know I got the one off, where most get a quality rail. I did not disparage it because I know what I experienced was not the norm. We are all trying to help here. That’s what this forum should be about isn’t it? Point being is that we get pissed and wonder why we are getting our tails kicked by those who want to take our firearms away, yet we fight with, degredate, and run down those we disagree with on this forum, yet they are our brothers and sisters to a common goal and passion. It shouldn’t be this way. Op I am glad you found a solution to your question. I think you will be happy with the RS Mount.

I also question MI’s refusal to support the S12 platform when I can take multiple side mounts and interchange them between saiga shotguns and multiple caliber rifles. Maybe they are not too confident in a 12 guage’s recoil with their product or they have someone not experienced with their product on multiple formats/options? With that said, I do take issue with your blanket statement of “UTG Garbage”. The UTG Pro side AK mounts are very solid, even for magnified optics. They return to zero and are a great value for the price point. Perhaps you are basing your opinion on the old first generation mounts? I have two of these new mounts and they are solid. One I have even cut down to do exactly what the OP wants to do with a RDS. To HB’s point, they sit higher than a RS Mount which I also own, but they allow field stripping the rifle with the mount and the optic still attached. It is all about preference. The UTG Pro is a great value. Are there better mounts out there? Yes. The RS Mounts IMHO are the best side mount options for an AK out there. Are they the best out there on a budget? Not necessarily. RDS afford quick target acquisition but are not precision sights, especially on a shotgun where range is cut down considerably. There are many mount options that will be more than adequate, without tearing down other members of a forum that share your love of firearms. Just putting things into perspective for someone who’s opinion I respect and often agree with.

Below is the Carolina Shooters solution rail that fits into the rear sight dove tail and friction locks with set screws. Not sure Evl if this is the exact rail you have seen bent up or if those were a knock off of this. I have a different set up now, but never had issues with durability or zero when I had a red dot on it. To the OP, if you don’t use something like this, IMHO the RS mounts side mounts are about the lowest profile and adjustable mounts out there:

FN FAL Handguard.What's the tubular handguard under it? The tube is part of the handguard. To OP. Sorry for the Hijack. Nice job on the S12

FN FAL Handguard.

Are you looking for iron sight recommendations, optics, or both? Traditional iron sight setup on the scout rail will be tough on the S12. You will need a rail in back for the rear sight, or need to place the rear sight on the scout rail, and get a front tower set up. If it was me, I'd put a quality red dot on the scout rail and go with it. I have a primary arms red dot on mine and can recommend them.

Centerfire just got a batch of S20 factory fives in, in case someone is looking.

Good read from Mossberg on the subject: https://www.mossberg.com/defining-a-shotgun/