TonyRumore

I have 10ea Saiga 12 Bayonet lugs for the M7 bayonet. They will be ready to ship on Monday 1/24/05. $39ea shipped. Paypal is TonyR@Tromix.com Or you can send an MO or check to Tromix 405 N. Walnut Ave #8 Broken Arrow, OK 74012 If you want to run a Credit Card, call M-F 9-5 Central time, 918 251-5640 http://www.hunt101.com/showphoto.php?photo=244838

These will be ready to ship tomorrow. I only have 10ea of them, and probably won't run another batch for a couple of months. $39ea shipped. It seems like a rather simple piece, but they take a hell of a lot more time than I thought initially. I changed the design so the set screw comes up through the bottom of the lug, so you can't see it when it is installed. I take paypal at TonyR@Tromix.com Or you can send an MO or personal check to: Tromix, 405 N. Walnut Ave #8, Broken Arrow, OK 74012 I can also take a credit card, call me at 918 251-5640 M-F 9-5 Central Time. To

I will probably offer some Tromix SAS-12's with 4rd mags and 18" barrels down the road. I have a rear trunion block made up to mount a folding stock and pistol grip, but I have not worked out the U.S. parts count yet. It should not be an issue, but it does take time. Since the magazine is steel, building an extension on the bottom should not be too difficult either. Availability is going to be an issue with the SAS-12, since Century does not have any stock, and they do not know if they will ever import any more of them. If you can pick one up for under $200, you might want to grab it a

I just got done testing the SAS-12 again with my heavy extractor spring in place. The thing ran perfectly with the same shells that would not eject with the factory extractor spring.

The USAS-12 definately has the "cool" factor going for it. But the price, DD status, and parts availability is certainly a limiting factor for most shotgun enthusiasts. The USAS magazines are also a bit on the short side, and will not handle all 2.75" shells. Some of you may not be aware, but the OAL of shotgun shells is not held to any specific length and some "2.75" shells are actually too long for the USAS mag. The USAS is a great collector piece, but for most guys, the SAIGA or SAS-12 is a more available (budget wise) mag fed shotgun.

Doerdie's comments seem logical, but are not correct. Even when both inner and outer metals heat up at the same time, it will be easier to remove them from each other. If you don't have a press, and don't plan to buy one, you need to use a bigger hammer and/or some heat.

Unfortunately, the Saiga three port set-up and gas regulator is not conducive to being opened very far due to the break-out between holes. On the Tromix shorty guns, I elected to go with a single gas port and redesigned the gas regulator to function similar to an RPD belt gun. It would be possible to weld up and recut a single hole in a standard set-up, but the barrel is most likely 4140 steel and will heat-treat itself even when cooling in ambient temps. Then when you go back to drill, it's a bitch to cut through the hardened area......and you'll really be pissed when you get half way thr

The reason the gas port needs to be larger when you cut a barrel down on a gas operated weapon is due to the decreased dwell time remaining. The time between when the projectile crosses the gas port, to the time that it exits the muzzle is the duration of dwell that gas is vented to the piston. If you shorten that time frame, then you impart less energy on the gas piston to cycle the action. To offset that decrease in time/gas impingment, the port is opened up to allow a higher volume of gas to flow in order to compensate for the shorter dwell time. On rifles, it is not that big of deal

I took the SAS-12 apart this morning, and that extractor spring is just WAY too light for my taste. I am surprised the gun will function at all with such a light extractor spring. Anyway, I opened up the spring bore and installed a very heavy duty spring behind the extractor. It has some serious tension on it now, but still clips over the cartridge rim without a problem. I'll test fire it shortly, but I'll bet that fixes the ejection problems I experienced yesterday. Lack of extractor tension is the number one problem with most self loading arms of all types. I am surprised that this

I have not worked with an 18" Saiga, yet. So I don't know first hand, but I saw a previous post where someone opened the port to .097 and it ran but stove piped the last round. In testing the 12" guns, the last round stove pipe problem also occurred when the port was not quite large enough. So I would guess that the port should probably be about .104" or so, provided the preivous poster's info was correct. Again, this is not first hand knowledge and I hate to simply repeat what I have overheard but I have not done an 18" gun yet.

I have only removed the pin on 2001 models. It is a two piece affair. The pin just drifts out as usual. Putting it back together is a bitch, trying to align both parts though. The pin should come out without too much hammering. If it doesn't budge, I would put some heat to it first.

Welding up barrel ports and attempting to re-drill in the same location is never a good idea. Most carbon steel barrels are 4140 steel which is automatically heat treated even if you let it cool in ambient air temps. It is then a bitch to get your drill to cut through even a shallow layer of welded material. The bit will also want to wander toward the soft, untreated area and you will get a diagonal hole cut. This can also lead to the bit binding between the hard and soft areas and breaking your drill bit. If you get the tip of your drill busted off halfway through the gas port, you are s

Lock tite will not work (legally) as a permanent attachment. It must be welded, silver soldered, or blind pinned. Welding and silver solder also requires at least 1/2 of the circumference to be done.

The SAS-12 has a very conventional gas system. Very similar to a Remington 1100. In order to open up the gas ports, there is a window cut in the gas piston housing that is attached to the barrel. Your drill simply goes through the housing window and engages the barrel inside. There are two ports side by side, both accessed through the one central window opening in the gas piston housing. I don't recall the exact dimension with the 23" barrel, but I believe it was about .120" or so. After cuttting the barrel to 18", I opened both ports to .144". I also noted that the extractor spring

I took the day off today, and my girlfriend and I took some automatic weapons to the range for some well deserved fun. I also brought a couple of Saiga 12" guns and the 18" SAS-12. I was able to tune the gas ports on the Saiga's to allow them to run low base 1 oz and 1-1/8oz walmart shells. I had quite a few customers request that the 12" guns be able to run reduced recoil and low base shells, so I decided to re-employ the standard gas regulator on the shortys. With the regulator wide open, they will run low base shells, and spun over to the #1 position, will cut down the gas for the highe

All of the lugs are machined, 10ea of the them. I will make the loops and TiG them up. Then they will be refinished and ready to go. I will refinish them at the same time I do the other 10ea shorty guns, so you are still looking at 2 weeks before they are ready to go. Hang in there guys, I will get it done.

If you are giving it away, yes I will take a copy of the MasterCam file. Tony Rumore Tromix Corp

I gotta say, that is impressive................ Tony Rumore Tromix Corp

I am sorry Rowdy.....but we would be drinking beer.

Yes, it looks like the magazine will only fit this shotgun. But the way it is made, it wouldn't take much to weld an extension skirt to the existing mag to add capacity or weld two together. Even though they are not really curved, you could simply cut one at an angle to create a "joggle", allowing the rounds to feed. At $110, you could get into an ACE folder for practically free compared to the price of the base SAIGA, which I hear is going up soon. My money is still with the Saiga however. Getting this thing into a desirable configuration is still up in the air. Here's another pic...

I think the general consensus is that the gun is a POS, but some of that opinion stems from the gun wholesaleing for about a 100 bucks. I swear, if some of the cheap guns simply had a $600 price tag on them, they would all of a sudden move out of the POS catagory by the armchair gun experts. I haven't formed an opinion on this thing yet. The finish is certainly better than a Saiga. No Bar-B-Que paint on this thing.

No, actually I agree with all of your comments, however I have "heard" (which doesn't mean shit) that even though the velocity peaks at 19", there is actually very little gain past 12" or so. I don't know for sure, but I will certainly find out.

I will chrono a 12" saiga side by side with a 22" version and will post the results shortly. However, a friend of mine has done this in the past with other SBS' and he is telling me that there is VERY little velocity gain/loss between the two. Of course I never believe shit unless I actually test it myself.

I don't know if you guys have seen this yet, but I thought I would post a pic if anyone is interested. Here's a Norinco SAS-12, 18" barrel, detachable magazine 12 gauge. The magazine and chamber are only set-up to run 2.75" shells and with very slight modification, the magazine holds 4 rounds and can be inserted with the bolt closed. It could be set-up with a folding stock and pistol grip, but the U.S. parts count would require you to manafacture some more parts. Since the magazine is steel, it would not be problem to weld two together to get the capacity to eight or so. Retail i

Hell ya, a Poly choke would work. I have one on the first gun my dad ever gave me at age 7. It's an Ithaca 37 20ga, with a shortened stock and a poly choke. I imagine I could Tig Weld a flash hider to the external part that spins in order to give you a choke and a flash hider, no problem.