jekbrown

JC, just make them! Plenty of S12s and compatible guns out there. I'd prolly buy $500+ of them myself.

New Saiga's may not be coming in, but DDIs and the eventual Chaos shotty are. I don't think the S12 is dead. There's certainly a large installed user base, almost all of which would kill for a double stack.

For me also, thanks CSS!!!

If the design works, he's throwing away $$$ by not licensing the design out to one of the manufacturers. With the right agreement he could make good money from his design. Honestly i don't care how they come to market, so long as they DO come to market...

I'm fine with F/O for a front sight, I just don't like my front sight mounted half way down the bbl. I also don't think of AR stocks as collapsing... more like slightly adjustable for LOP. you are dead on that no gun satisfies everyone. I'd like to get one of these guns, they just don't appear to be perfect in stock form. Speaking of which, I'm really not sure what I'd do with the stock. I'd never put an AR stock on there, that's offensive to my sensibilities. Prolly keep it stock or figure out a way to convert it to AK style... probably at great expense. Meh.

I'm interested. I LOVE the safety, rear sight, and LH charging. IMO all semi auto long guns should be LH charging. The STG 44 was LHC for a reason. I'm not biased against China. They can make things there...the question is just what the QC is like. If you can make iphones, smart TVs, xbox ones, split the atom, and launch people into space, you can make guns just fine. The question is, will they? What I don't like is the stock set up or the front sight. I'd much rather see a front sight set up like a normal AK for max sight radius. On the stock front, it's horrible design to use a buffer-tube stock set up on a gun that doesn't functionally need it. It totally kills collapsible stocks by unecessarily limiting travel and cam make folding options much more expensive too...all for zero benefit. There are TONS of AK stock options now. Just put a regular old straight-back rear trunion on there and call it good. The only time people complain about AK rear trunions is when they are weird odd-ball crap. I would have also liked to see a 18.1" bbl. I know it's less than an inch difference, but for those of us in states where SBSs are completely banned, I'll take the minimum bbl length I can get.

Potentially dumb question: would these work in combo with the H&K style rear sight from a chaos rail system? Or are they yoo differeny in height? I'd like to maximize my sight radius and add to the "AK look" of a FSB type set up...

I've never shot my S12 with a 5 or 8 round mag. 10s and 12s only...so that's what I am "used to". my vote remains the same: a mag no longer than the 10 rounder, whatever the resulting capacity is.

I wouldn't worry about the aftermarket. Look at cars. You can still find newly manufactured parts for muscle cars from the 60s and 70s. There aren't that many of these cars left on the road, but the demand is there and as a result the manufacturers are also. We should be fine. Obama will just cost us more money, which is his standard MO.

make a mount that is S12 compatible and let the bird absorb all the recoil. Problem solved!

I'd rather he be slaving away in the shop to get shit done than spending all day trolling the introwebs.

I've heard good things, and I'm sure these are great mags, 8 rounds just isn't enough for me to be interested when 10 rounders have been around forever.

Don't like them on most guns. That said, if the gun has significant recoil, then I kind of do like them. Helps me reacquire sight picture faster when dumping 3" slugs on my S12.

maybe, but let's get some evil black ones on the market and worry about pretty colored ones, and ridiculously long comp-shooters-only ones later.

exactly...inconclusive. In some of the ammo types, the no-brake was superior to a brake...and the control wasn't even an effective control. A better control would be to hang a weight on the end of the bbl, identical to the weight of each brake. You're trying to find out if the brake is effective at reducing the vertical rise of the bbl....as opposed to trying to prove that hanging a weight on the end of the bbl will do the same. If a brake would make a significant difference, I'd cut my bbl down some and perma install one. I'd like proof before I make the effort though. Being as low pressure as they are, it seems like brakes would be less effective on shotties than other guns.