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Ahhhh, makes perfect sense to me now, what I am actually doing is compensating for bullet drop at a given range by having the barrel slightly elevated. Hence the arc...... I have been around firearms my whole life and am pretty good with them, however I have never really put much thought into this. All I know is tracers appeared to climb to me. Thanks for the info. CCspecs is quite correct. So are you when you say that those tracers that you fired climbed, but they did so only because of the mechanical design of the rifle, not because a fired projectile inherently travels i

Mav, I could care less what you think. There are two groups of people that will read this whole thread. One that understands rifles and marksmenship and one that does not. You and your supporters that claim that you can take a basic "recrowned" Saiga .308 and shoot 1.5 MOA or better groups, specially with surplus military ammo, are a part of the latter. This is just a silly AK fanboy lie and no one that knows anything about AKs will believe you. I like the AK, I really do, but only an idiot believes that it will do everything better then every other rifle on the planet. You know very

Where was the word "flat" used? All rifle rounds start falling to Earth the instant they are fired. There is always an arc into the dirt. No such thing as flat, only different arcs of the bullet based on many variables. Absolutely not, there is nothing about a bullet that will provide aerodynamic lift. The arch that you are describing is a function of the sights and the design of the rifle. If you were to fire a bullet out of a dead level test barrel 30 inches above a stretch of perfectly flat earth. It would never rise higher then 30" and would fall constantly until in hits

Your Jesus and mine are obviously quite different. Mine drove the money lenders from the temple with a whip.

I may have misuderstood what you meant, but not what you said: You can not easily determine MOA at any range except the one tested, certainly not with the only model parameter being "multiplication." Yes you can, a more accurate term might be Minute Of Degree, if you know the range, you can figure out what the size of MOD or MOA is. No, you can't. Otherwise if a given rifle will shoot a 3" group at 100 yards we would be able to know that it will shoot a 9" group at 300 yards, and this is just not so.

Insult me all you like, just never make up a lie about me again and post it as a fact. If it happens again, I will not give you this opportunity.

Of course the PM you got helped, right? But hey it is a reference! But not much of one, a site that infers that for every "report" of police misconduct it is a fact! A site that claims that a law suit is some kind of "proof' that misconduct occurred. You can sue for pretty much anything. I realize that you don't like the police, but honestly, do you like being lied to, even if you want to believe the message? There is a great story about a police officer, or a military man, that is being interviewed by a female reporter from NPR. He is telling her that they have set up a summer camp for ki

No, what he is saying, is that when some teenage punks were skateboarding in the parking garage he promptly chased them all away. He has also served with distinction on night watch and may have deterred a possible graffiti on the sidewalk outside Sears. There was also the the time he chased down the shoplifter at Hot Topic and removed him from the premises with a stern warning and an embarrassing phone call to the "perp's" parents. I will thank you here for helping to make my point that BigSal's slander has injured my reputation, You have now as well. You are claiming that you have knowledg

Only to an literate idiot. I can see why you would have interpreted it that way. Get off your hind legs and quite trying to talk like a man from behind your keyboard. If there is something that I am doing that you don't like either make me stop, or sit back and get used to it. I could care less which.

You know, I actually agree with a good bit of what you said before this point, really. I am disturbed with the direction that our nation is moving. The problem is people making the mistake that you are making here, when you talk about police corruption, you talk about the rank in file. When there is a problem, it is usually at the top. If you think that one in ten working officers nationwide is corrupt you are very mistaken. I can not honestly speak for officers out West and in the North, I have never worked there, but in the deep South I have worked in four states and I have even not see

What Police Abuse are you talking about? Give some examples! This thread is about a hangman's noose hangings in a Sheriff's Office window. Give me the names of some police you know to be committing abuses! I will be seriously glad to get you help in dealing with them! Or, do you now know what you are talking about? No you don't know much about me, and you are way off the mark with your guess. I am older, have many years of law enforcement service, including that as a CLEO of a State Agency. I was actively working a tactical team less then 4 years ago. I am now partially retired and await

With no tests and with only firing one once, I would say yes. But the truth is, I would be happier with it on a rifle.

This MAS is a lot better rifle then it is credited with being by popular opinion. You can not blame the rifle for the failures of the French Military!

There is no argument, it is a fact, there was nothing in this thread about police misconduct except what you and your ilk added to it. I have no problem with any "opinion" you might have, brilliant or stupid. I have a problem with you making things up and claiming them to be facts. There is a big difference. I will wager I have brought more cops to justice in my time then you have! Now, what do you think that you know about me? Innuendo is for pussys. Where has a "perp's rights pretty much trampled on" been shown, or even supported anywhere in this posting? No where. I have n

Thanks for the link, I am a little unsure what to make of the word projected here, but, it is something! Odd, I don't think that West Virginia is considered part of the "NorthWest" United States. So I guess that this was to prove that SpetsnazGRU was making his "facts" up? http://www.injustice...ere.com/?p=3079, compiled from sources at http://www.fbi.gov/u...2009/index.html Bummer to see my state on the top-ten list.

Where was the word "flat" used? All rifle rounds start falling to Earth the instant they are fired.

I may have misuderstood what you meant, but not what you said: You can not easily determine MOA at any range except the one tested, certainly not with the only model parameter being "multiplication."

An interesting idea! I would like to see more of this. The handlebars makes a great place to mount a rifle rack!

Where has a "perp's rights pretty much trampled on" been shown, or even supported anywhere in this posting? No where. I have news for you, "hard-cops" do not sentence a man to the death penalty in this country, that is still the job of a Judge and a jury of your peers. You bring your personal baggage to any thread that discusses criminal justice. The fact that there is nothing in this thread regarding the "police" shows you and "TheHunterOfSkulls" ( ) for what you are.

Yes, I see what you mean...but how many convictions? Or is it just non-police that are entitled to the full protection of the law? However, surely there will be a few. On the other hand a search of "US military misconduct" will show that there seems, per the press anyway, to me a huge amount of misconduct on the part of our militray. Now one could draw by inference from Google that our's is the worst behaving militray in the world. But just because the press says this does not make it true, no more then because someone who hates the police says it. Frankly, I am a big fan of the

Hey SOPMOD, welcome back. And that is not likely to happen without a public outcry, the sucess or the failure of the Feds to deal with such an outcry could be just the catalyst that makes the State Legislatures take action. However, I agree, the 10th is also one of our best hopes at reining in an out of control Fed!

I like that stock. I shot one of the originals one time and think that it is one of the best designed factory stocks for the AK. However, for my money, I would rather have the Ace. Now if the looks are your criteria, that is all together different.

No no, I understand, if your wife will buy me a Saiga .308, I will gratefully accept one too! Christmas is coming!

Yeah, this is part of the problem, you do not understand how the MOA of a rifle is determined. Its really simple math, MOA is Minute Of Angle, from the starting point, the muzzle, the projectile can theoretically travel 360 degrees, or 360 Minutes Of Angle. One MOA at 100 yards is 1.047", and from that you can extrapolate it out however far you wish. So....you think that any rifle that will shoot 1 MOA, will shoot a group whereby no shot falls more then 5.235" from the point of aim at 1000 yards? I mean it is just simple multiplication, right? What about the effect of a low

That's a little ironic for me to read, considering that our state has the second highest police misconduct rate in the country, next only to Oklahoma. Just out of curiosity, whats your source??? Thanx!!! Yes, I too would like to know your source? Where did you come by this data? Surely something like this would be somewhere that it could be shared with the public! Or, is the truth that you just made it up? The same way to make up most of your anti-police tripe? Either way, I look forward to your response!