Bill 0 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Hi guys, I am considering a project to draw up and need input since I have never had a shotgun with a rifled barrel. IF a shotgun were to have a 'permanently' attached rifled barrel and was essentially intended to fire slugs only, is it still a shotgun or would it somehow be a rifle? I am thinking of making a shotgun 'pistol' with a rifled barrel for slug use only,since I think a rifled barrel will wreck any shot pattern(or am I wrong?) I am hoping to try to make something that will not need to be classed as a AOW/class 3 and since it would not have started out as a rifle so it would not be a SBS. Project is based on something I saw in a sci fi movie one time. Not sure if I would draw up a gas type,simple recoil system-like a pistol.or?? I am trying to see what off the shelf stuff could be used. This is just an exercise right now BUT you never know...If I get a working design and try a mock up in plastic and metal....(mad scientist laugh) What do you guys think? Thank you for the responses guys! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuAside 2 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 slugs and rifled barrel still remains a shotgun afaik. as for how it could work? i'm a noob at weapon design constraints, but wouldn't it be too short to use a saiga12-like gas system? i also think this thing will be quite a kicker if you ever make this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 You would also have to be .50 cal or smaller or it would be a AOW anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 AOW includes smoothbore handguns of any caliber. DD includes "nonsporting" shotguns. If the bore is under 50 cal, it is rifled, and it never had a buttstock, it could be a regular handgun. Me, if I had a slug barrel on something, I'd want a decent length and a shoulder stock. If I had an affordable ammo solution, I might really go for a rifled barrel conversion of a Saiga 20 or 12ga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 0 Posted April 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 I really appreciate the feedback guys! I know this would not be a 'practical' firearm but I am sure we all have projects in our heads and think-hmmmm,could it be done? I figure this thing would be about as useable as any other AOW or really short SBS-ala 1 of tromixs' supershorties or the FNFAL 'pistol' I saw- what a muzzle blast on that and I think it was FA!!!! Well if I am looking at it being a AOW due to the bore size I may as well go smoothbore for 'flexibility'. Like I said, right now it is a study exercise,have to look for OTS parts ,mag to modify,operating system,how to do a receiver,etc,etc but I figure may as well start doing some prelims. Also, If i should move this to another section or if a mod wants to move it let me know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuAside 2 Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 an FN FAL pistol? doesnt that tear your hand right off? ^^ btw, are you making for a bolter? sure does come close Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Certainly wouldn't want to trash on innovation, and I'm all for study exercises. Sometimes something developed for one machine will have an unexpected advantage for another. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 0 Posted April 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Hey SuA- you must be a current or past WH40K player to know or suggest a Bolter! Yes a bolter would be neat! Always thought a gyrojet would be neat BUT those years are gone! I do not know why but I just like 'short stubby guns with big booms'! Hey BRG3-I am not put off by your comments and stuff, that is why I posted it here, I thought some of you guys who have C3 items or exerience would be able to shed some light. I am also considering the new caliber like the .450 bushmaster,or some other crazy caliber from one of the custom caliber guys-like that 50 cal stubby that you can convert your AR to shoot,still brain storming.... Oh here are a couple pics of a real short FNFal-- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zakmatthews 14 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 What if you chambered it in .410? I know there are two revolvers (Taurus makes one called "The Judge" and ThunderFive makes another one) made to fire .410/.45lc. They both have rifled barrels. I don't see why an autoloader would be any less legal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MadMaxx 0 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 +1 for the 40K reference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuAside 2 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Hey SuA- you must be a current or past WH40K player to know or suggest a Bolter! Yes a bolter would be neat! i'm not a W40K tabletop player. i just played the old space quest tabletop game (when i was little) and about all the pc games i could find. it's a damn nice universe W40k has created btw. anyway, i also have a close friend that runs a gamestore and is specialised in W40k, but i've never tried it. as for the bolter thing, that sure would be kickass... no matter what cartride: 12 gauge, 20 gauge, .410, .450 bushmaster or (Tony's/Marty's) .458 SOCOM. but i'm afraid that making such a thing would require a lot of $$$ and wouldn't be comfortable to shoot at all. here are some references for standard bolters (there are smaller & bigger versions) for those who dont know what we're talking about: (note that a real W40k bolter shoots caseless ammo (compareable to gyrojet) in .750 cal, and as such i have no idea why the guy who made the picture included spent casings) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 here i thought you guys were talking about this old gyrojet http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galle...s/1700/1787.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 ThousansSon, I can't believe you let that lil girl shoot that thing with the stock folded and no muffs, but she looks like she's got it under control. Good luck with your project and keep us posted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 0 Posted April 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Hey Guys-back after a week.....April is NOT being nice to me..... Any way-ScoutJoe- I like the gyrojet idea-my dad used to have either a pistol or at least about 15 rounds of the stuff-wish I had one as a sample!! MadMaxx-glad you like the idea! SuA-wh40k is pretty cool- I have some armys -World Eaters Khorne Berserkers, Thousand Sons Marines, and My 1st Army- Sisters of Battle-like my Avatar-Just something about Gothic Chicks in Armor with big guns-and I mean the type that go 'BOOM'!- AND BTW- Where did you get those bolter pics-models?,1 to 1 props? I would like to know! maybe buy a copy??? 6500rpm- that firearm is owned by a guy on the Falfiles and I think it was FA,I do not think they ever got it 100% BUT still damn impressive!! Here are a couple other WH40K pics of my chicks-from the books...The last one is 'off duty!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MadMaxx 0 Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 It makes me sad... thinking back to my 20,000+ point army ~10 years ago. I used to have 3 (yes, 3) armorcast titans - 2 warhounds and 1 reaver, and a slew of original land raiders (before they were re-released). I checked ebay prices on the titans just for fun.. HOLY HELL! Insane prices these days. Some of my coolest models were the rare ones... all the heresy bump models, the Christmas special releases... Ah the memories. I still rock WH40K on the PC, need to go pick up the new expansion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 0 Posted April 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 hi Guys,MadMaxx-I used to have a armorcast 'Cannon of Khorne' Everything stayed out of its range and 'arc of influence'! Was great to play. I had a Warhound titan also... I forgot to respond to zakmathews--Sorry man!- I definitely cannot do it in 410 because even though it is a CALIBER and not a GAUGE,the fact that it uses shotgun shells or 45lc ,it is considered a sawed off shotgun(in Calif)/aow/etc just like the 12 gauge. I am thinking due to the design a Bolter style would be actually easier to build...... I am also pondering a .50 cal shell made by Leitner Wise. It is like .50calx2" long so it will fit in a AR15 size mag/magwell.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuAside 2 Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 AND BTW- Where did you get those bolter pics-models?,1 to 1 props? I would like to know! maybe buy a copy??? just googled they're just 3D renders i guess, but i don't know if they were made for any purpose other than entertaining the artist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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