Democrats and the Politics of Guns

[DaGroaner 2]

Dear Mr. Groaner.

I happen to object to such words as "And so, help me God" and "One nation under God". This is 21st century. Not 11th. I happen to object the blocking of teaching of the Darwin theory. I happen to object many things that Fundie Christians stand for. Frankly, my traditional X-mas is not even in December. I will say "Marry Christmas" when MY family celebrates X-mas. To everyone else, I will say "Happy Holidays". I do not know, just by looking at the guy, if he is Jew and I should wish him a happy Hanuka, or if he is a Protestant or Catholic, so I should wish him a Marry Christmas. Yes, I tell to people "Happy Kwanza", then again, I know who celebrates Kwanza and who does not:-).

I need no bible to tell me what to do and what not to do. Thats what Criminal Law is for. That is what personal concience is for. I am not happy with the fact that it is Ok to show blood splatter of the most vile kind in the movies, and yet it is NOT ok to show some skin and sex, thanx to the Fundies. The message here is . I object to that.

I point out to you that there are plenty of Democratic countries in the world, in most of the the rights were not "given" to the people by their lord and master above. They were EARNED and TAKEN by the people, usually after a bloody struggle. I object to the fact that cell stem research is blocked by there fanatics. Those cells would never be used and would not grow up to be people anyway.

Now, having said all that. I will tell you this much: You have as much right to practice your believes in the privacy of your home, as I have the right to read Anton Szandor LeVay, Aliester Crowley, Book of 5 Rings, Dao Te ching, and whaterver the heck else in my home. You have as much right to worship the image of Christ, as I have the right to offer insence to the image of Guan Yu.

The difference is this: I practice my tradition, as mixed up as it is, at home. I have no political power. Christian Fundamentals from the Bible Belt do. Therefore, I choose to oppose them.

Not due to the disrespect for their believes, but due to the desire to maintain status quo and enforce the Constitution which mentions SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

 

So in summation, you object to free speech, you are wholly ignorant of the fact that NO ONE is blocking the teaching of Darwin's theories, you suffer delusions of Christian people stopping you from buying porn and conducting stem-cell research, voices in your head are telling you that "Violence is OK, sex is evil" because I've never heard that ANYWHERE else and finally you think the First Amendment gives you the right to freely practice religion only in your home. Do you apply that same IDIOTIC standard to the Second Amendment?

 

I think you are deranged. Truly.

[Tigerclaw_x 1]

Dear Mr. Groaner.

I happen to object to such words as "And so, help me God" and "One nation under God". This is 21st century. Not 11th. I happen to object the blocking of teaching of the Darwin theory. I happen to object many things that Fundie Christians stand for. Frankly, my traditional X-mas is not even in December. I will say "Marry Christmas" when MY family celebrates X-mas. To everyone else, I will say "Happy Holidays". I do not know, just by looking at the guy, if he is Jew and I should wish him a happy Hanuka, or if he is a Protestant or Catholic, so I should wish him a Marry Christmas. Yes, I tell to people "Happy Kwanza", then again, I know who celebrates Kwanza and who does not:-).

I need no bible to tell me what to do and what not to do. Thats what Criminal Law is for. That is what personal concience is for. I am not happy with the fact that it is Ok to show blood splatter of the most vile kind in the movies, and yet it is NOT ok to show some skin and sex, thanx to the Fundies. The message here is . I object to that.

I point out to you that there are plenty of Democratic countries in the world, in most of the the rights were not "given" to the people by their lord and master above. They were EARNED and TAKEN by the people, usually after a bloody struggle. I object to the fact that cell stem research is blocked by there fanatics. Those cells would never be used and would not grow up to be people anyway.

Now, having said all that. I will tell you this much: You have as much right to practice your believes in the privacy of your home, as I have the right to read Anton Szandor LeVay, Aliester Crowley, Book of 5 Rings, Dao Te ching, and whaterver the heck else in my home. You have as much right to worship the image of Christ, as I have the right to offer insence to the image of Guan Yu.

The difference is this: I practice my tradition, as mixed up as it is, at home. I have no political power. Christian Fundamentals from the Bible Belt do. Therefore, I choose to oppose them.

Not due to the disrespect for their believes, but due to the desire to maintain status quo and enforce the Constitution which mentions SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

 

So in summation, you object to free speech, you are wholly ignorant of the fact that NO ONE is blocking the teaching of Darwin's theories, you suffer delusions of Christian people stopping you from buying porn and conducting stem-cell research, voices in your head are telling you that "Violence is OK, sex is evil" because I've never heard that ANYWHERE else and finally you think the First Amendment gives you the right to freely practice religion only in your home. Do you apply that same IDIOTIC standard to the Second Amendment?

 

I think you are deranged. Truly.

 

Ok, Sir. Lets thread carefully here, to avoid mutual offence.

1) I am all for free speech. (Nazis are exeption to that rule). You have a total right to practice anything you want. In the privacy of your own home. However, do not forget that US is not owned by a single religion. It is not owned by Protestants, Baptists, Catholics, Greek Orthodox. It is not owned, by Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Satanists, Pagans, Odinists etc. If you are to respect one religion, you are to respect all of them. Which means not trying to convert people into your religion.

2) AS far as Darwin Theories, there were quite a few cases in the Bible Belt when Christian Fundamentalists attempt (and I repeat that they ATTEMPT) to block teaching of Darwin Evolution in schools. Please, research this issue.

3) As far as the movies do. I do not see Christian Funamentalists protest the movies where people get hacked up in droves. (any Arnold or Stallone movie, for example), however, the same Christian Fundamentalists howled for blood when some flesh was flashed last year during Superbowl.

4) What I do in my home, and whom I do it with is my private issue. How I do it with my wife, or my girlfriend or anyone else, is my own issue. No preacher has a right to tell me what is moral or what isn't unless I ask his opinion first.

5) Stem cell research was blocked on "religious and moral" grounds. That is enough for me to figure out that Ultra right Christian fundamentalists, pressured the president to make this decision.

6) If Christian MALES think that abortion is abhorent, they, the christian MALES are free not do do it. Let each woman make her own decision. Freedom of Choice... Something that God had given to Mankind, let me remind it to you.

7) Voices in my head tell me that Sex is great and violence is bad. However, the Christian right protesting movies with sex context and not protesting movies with gross violence tell me different.

8) Do not attempt to twist my words. Verbal trickery will not work on me, you can't kid the kidder. There are many religions and believs in USA. If you publicly celebrate christianity, you leave out people of all other confessions, in a similar way that a Black Pride parade, or Black History month are excluding anyone else from celebrating. We, in USA, need to be INCLUSIVE and EMBRACE THE DIVERSITY, rather then have us all march in formation.

If you put a Symbol of Christianity in a public place, you need also to honor all other religion, or else, you exclude them and the people who practice them.

It is the same way that I ask "How come there is Gay pride parade, and not Straight pride parade?". If I do not believe in your god, I should not endure saying "One nation under God".

9) Yes, I practice my Freedom to bear arms in the same way. If I think that HK system is the best, I do not want you to come in and tell me that HK system is nothing, but AR system is the only true system. Basically, each of us have a right to arm ourselves in any way we want. However, we should respect our choices and not push our opinion down everyone's throat.

10) Fundamentalism and fanatisism are dangerous, no matter what religion they are in: in christianity they produced witchhunts and religious warfare, they are a danger to our world in islam, the fundamentalist jews believe that they are gods' chosen people, and the rest are not even fully human. Extremist wiccans believe that Goddes is a female, and by that virture female are superior to male...

Therefore, I shall oppose the fundamentalisms in all its forms. Christian, Islam or any other ones. Especially to those who have an effect on the politics and laws of the country that I live in.

Do not forget that there are Christian fanatics out there, who wish for Armageddon to happen so Christ will come back to them. They scare me more then anyone else.

[DaGroaner 2]

Ok, Sir. Lets thread carefully here, to avoid mutual offence.

1) I am all for free speech. (Nazis are exeption to that rule). You have a total right to practice anything you want. In the privacy of your own home. However, do not forget that US is not owned by a single religion. It is not owned by Protestants, Baptists, Catholics, Greek Orthodox. It is not owned, by Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Satanists, Pagans, Odinists etc. If you are to respect one religion, you are to respect all of them. Which means not trying to convert people into your religion.

2) AS far as Darwin Theories, there were quite a few cases in the Bible Belt when Christian Fundamentalists attempt (and I repeat that they ATTEMPT) to block teaching of Darwin Evolution in schools. Please, research this issue.

3) As far as the movies do. I do not see Christian Funamentalists protest the movies where people get hacked up in droves. (any Arnold or Stallone movie, for example), however, the same Christian Fundamentalists howled for blood when some flesh was flashed last year during Superbowl.

4) What I do in my home, and whom I do it with is my private issue. How I do it with my wife, or my girlfriend or anyone else, is my own issue. No preacher has a right to tell me what is moral or what isn't unless I ask his opinion first.

5) Stem cell research was blocked on "religious and moral" grounds. That is enough for me to figure out that Ultra right Christian fundamentalists, pressured the president to make this decision.

6) If Christian MALES think that abortion is abhorent, they, the christian MALES are free not do do it. Let each woman make her own decision. Freedom of Choice... Something that God had given to Mankind, let me remind it to you.

7) Voices in my head tell me that Sex is great and violence is bad. However, the Christian right protesting movies with sex context and not protesting movies with gross violence tell me different.

8) Do not attempt to twist my words. Verbal trickery will not work on me, you can't kid the kidder. There are many religions and believs in USA. If you publicly celebrate christianity, you leave out people of all other confessions, in a similar way that a Black Pride parade, or Black History month are excluding anyone else from celebrating. We, in USA, need to be INCLUSIVE and EMBRACE THE DIVERSITY, rather then have us all march in formation.

If you put a Symbol of Christianity in a public place, you need also to honor all other religion, or else, you exclude them and the people who practice them.

It is the same way that I ask "How come there is Gay pride parade, and not Straight pride parade?". If I do not believe in your god, I should not endure saying "One nation under God".

9) Yes, I practice my Freedom to bear arms in the same way. If I think that HK system is the best, I do not want you to come in and tell me that HK system is nothing, but AR system is the only true system. Basically, each of us have a right to arm ourselves in any way we want. However, we should respect our choices and not push our opinion down everyone's throat.

10) Fundamentalism and fanatisism are dangerous, no matter what religion they are in: in christianity they produced witchhunts and religious warfare, they are a danger to our world in islam, the fundamentalist jews believe that they are gods' chosen people, and the rest are not even fully human. Extremist wiccans believe that Goddes is a female, and by that virture female are superior to male...

Therefore, I shall oppose the fundamentalisms in all its forms. Christian, Islam or any other ones. Especially to those who have an effect on the politics and laws of the country that I live in.

Do not forget that there are Christian fanatics out there, who wish for Armageddon to happen so Christ will come back to them. They scare me more then anyone else.

 

First of all you ARE offensive. Second, I'll tread any damn way I please.

 

1) Thank you for making my point but what you fail to understand is that there are no exceptions in America, even Nazis get to make asses of themselves here. You are of course absolutely wrong about where we are "allowed" to practice our rights and are obviously not much of a Constitutional scholar.

2) The exception does not prove the rule to those of US that are not "logic-challenged".

3) Please give me one documented example of a Christian "howling for blood" over Janet Jackson's tit.

4) No one said they did. The voices again?

5) Stem-cell research has not been blocked. How many times do you think you'll need to tell that lie before it sticks?

6) In America we All have the right to our opinions and to vote on policy, even Christian males. Funny I'm an atheist but am smart enough to recognize a human life for what it is even if it is very small in size. I bet even Darwin would too, he being a scientist and all.

7) Once again... the exception does not prove the rule. Try again?

8) I don't have to twist your words and have not. You are responsible for what comes out of your filthy mouth, not I. I do find it interesting you say you want to celebrate diversity and yet are entirely intolerant of the beliefs of people you disagree with. There's a term for that. Do you want me to spell it out for you? H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

9) So you only practice your RKBA in the privacy of your home? How do you practice? Do you just tell everyone to duck?

10) Weren't you the same dope that told US this was the 21st Century? Stop living in the past and hating people living today for the sins of those long dead.

 

Thankfully I can count on most Christians not to judge this Atheist by the likes of you. But of course most of them live in the 21st Century and are not logic-challenged pricks.

[Tigerclaw_x 1]

Now, Sir. I do object to your language. Please, try to control your rudeness. Or do not. The moment that you start swearing is the moment that you have admited the defeat. Up to you, Sir.

1) I understand well that the Freedom of Speech applies to all. I, however, would like for exception to be made for Nazies of all kinds, from White Arian Nation to Nation of Islam.

2) I remind you the howling that started about the whole "Immorality" on the issues.

3) Do you, Sir, intend to tell me that Federal Funding is being given to a stem cell recearch?

4) Yes, we all have rights to our opinions. With that right comes responsibility. I do not choose to preach various phylosophies that I subscribe to to others. I do not choose to tell the candidates to indoctrinate the teaching of Confucius into their program or I shall not vote for them. We must respect others. If a state displays a bible or a cross, it sends a message loud and clear to all people of other confessions:"We are christians first and foremost, your believes do not matter"

5) Human life begins at birth. Everything else is a bunch of cells. More or less ready for life. The soul enters the body when it draws its first breath. Not before.

6) I do not know what do YOU mean by respecting diversity, but what I mean is showing respect to ALL religions, or lack of thereoff. Hense, such words "In God we trust", "One nation under God", shoud be removed from all official papers, as it does excludes atheists "We are one nation under God, since you are not under God, you are not part of our nation" - that's the message it sends. Respect all, or you respect none. Christianity has permiated every level of our society. Good and well. What about the rest of us? If we are not christians then we are always reminded that this is a "christian country". Look, the christiandom is a PART of the country. Putting it above all others, is dissing the rest of us.

7) RTKBA. Well, I do not tell you that "there is no God above Kalashnikov and AK is his creation and his son and the only way you can come to God is by owning an AK". You can keep whatever guns YOU want. I will do the same.

Do not shove your AR to me and saying that this is the only true rifle, and I will do the same. Do not shove Christianity into my life, and I will do the same. In privacy of your own home, we can believe in anything, as long as we do not break the law.

8) Ever heard of separation of Church and state? Let me remind you that this is part of US law.

9) I never pretended to be a constitution scholar

10) I suggest that you watch what you write. There is such thing as basic politeness, Sir.

 

 

First of all you ARE offensive. Second, I'll tread any damn way I please.

 

1) Thank you for making my point but what you fail to understand is that there are no exceptions in America, even Nazis get to make asses of themselves here. You are of course absolutely wrong about where we are "allowed" to practice our rights and are obviously not much of a Constitutional scholar.

2) The exception does not prove the rule to those of US that are not "logic-challenged".

3) Please give me one documented example of a Christian "howling for blood" over Janet Jackson's tit.

4) No one said they did. The voices again?

5) Stem-cell research has not been blocked. How many times do you think you'll need to tell that lie before it sticks?

6) In America we All have the right to our opinions and to vote on policy, even Christian males. Funny I'm an atheist but am smart enough to recognize a human life for what it is even if it is very small in size. I bet even Darwin would too, he being a scientist and all.

7) Once again... the exception does not prove the rule. Try again?

8) I don't have to twist your words and have not. You are responsible for what comes out of your filthy mouth, not I. I do find it interesting you say you want to celebrate diversity and yet are entirely intolerant of the beliefs of people you disagree with. There's a term for that. Do you want me to spell it out for you? H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

9) So you only practice your RKBA in the privacy of your home? How do you practice? Do you just tell everyone to duck?

10) Weren't you the same dope that told US this was the 21st Century? Stop living in the past and hating people living today for the sins of those long dead.

 

Thankfully I can count on most Christians not to judge this Atheist by the likes of you. But of course most of them live in the 21st Century and are not logic-challenged pricks.

[rwsackett 0]

Yes, we all have rights to our opinions. With that right comes responsibility. I do not choose to preach various phylosophies that I subscribe to to others.

 

 

How in the world can you type that with a straight face?

[Juggernaut 11,054]

Our Church STILL flys the stars ans stripes higher than the Christian flag.

Our Pastor is a Ret. Comm SGTMAJ. USA Green Beannie to boot!

We have about 150 people any given sunday. and they come on their own, not at gunpoint.

[Tigerclaw_x 1]

Yes, Juggernaut.

I know that people in USA come to the Churches on their own will. This is good. It is their right. Remember this. The CHURCH is a PRIVATE property.

You can fly any flag you wish there. In any order. I am talking about government buildings.

Number two. I will vote with both hands for you right to practice your religion. I WILL object if you try to pressure the christian values onto me, no matter be it by supporting a christian fundamentalist to the office, or coming to my home and giving me a bible to read.

 

And yes. I do not go around people's home and preach that the religion is opium for the masses. I do not vote for someone to make sure that atheism, Taoism, Wicca, Satanism, Odinism or whatever else, will be adopted as an official view of the government.

[DaGroaner 2]

Now, Sir. I do object to your language. Please, try to control your rudeness. Or do not. The moment that you start swearing is the moment that you have admited the defeat. Up to you, Sir.

1) I understand well that the Freedom of Speech applies to all. I, however, would like for exception to be made for Nazies of all kinds, from White Arian Nation to Nation of Islam.

2) I remind you the howling that started about the whole "Immorality" on the issues.

3) Do you, Sir, intend to tell me that Federal Funding is being given to a stem cell recearch?

4) Yes, we all have rights to our opinions. With that right comes responsibility. I do not choose to preach various phylosophies that I subscribe to to others. I do not choose to tell the candidates to indoctrinate the teaching of Confucius into their program or I shall not vote for them. We must respect others. If a state displays a bible or a cross, it sends a message loud and clear to all people of other confessions:"We are christians first and foremost, your believes do not matter"

5) Human life begins at birth. Everything else is a bunch of cells. More or less ready for life. The soul enters the body when it draws its first breath. Not before.

6) I do not know what do YOU mean by respecting diversity, but what I mean is showing respect to ALL religions, or lack of thereoff. Hense, such words "In God we trust", "One nation under God", shoud be removed from all official papers, as it does excludes atheists "We are one nation under God, since you are not under God, you are not part of our nation" - that's the message it sends. Respect all, or you respect none. Christianity has permiated every level of our society. Good and well. What about the rest of us? If we are not christians then we are always reminded that this is a "christian country". Look, the christiandom is a PART of the country. Putting it above all others, is dissing the rest of us.

7) RTKBA. Well, I do not tell you that "there is no God above Kalashnikov and AK is his creation and his son and the only way you can come to God is by owning an AK". You can keep whatever guns YOU want. I will do the same.

Do not shove your AR to me and saying that this is the only true rifle, and I will do the same. Do not shove Christianity into my life, and I will do the same. In privacy of your own home, we can believe in anything, as long as we do not break the law.

8) Ever heard of separation of Church and state? Let me remind you that this is part of US law.

9) I never pretended to be a constitution scholar

10) I suggest that you watch what you write. There is such thing as basic politeness, Sir.

 

 

First of all you ARE offensive. Second, I'll tread any damn way I please.

 

1) Thank you for making my point but what you fail to understand is that there are no exceptions in America, even Nazis get to make asses of themselves here. You are of course absolutely wrong about where we are "allowed" to practice our rights and are obviously not much of a Constitutional scholar.

2) The exception does not prove the rule to those of US that are not "logic-challenged".

3) Please give me one documented example of a Christian "howling for blood" over Janet Jackson's tit.

4) No one said they did. The voices again?

5) Stem-cell research has not been blocked. How many times do you think you'll need to tell that lie before it sticks?

6) In America we All have the right to our opinions and to vote on policy, even Christian males. Funny I'm an atheist but am smart enough to recognize a human life for what it is even if it is very small in size. I bet even Darwin would too, he being a scientist and all.

7) Once again... the exception does not prove the rule. Try again?

8) I don't have to twist your words and have not. You are responsible for what comes out of your filthy mouth, not I. I do find it interesting you say you want to celebrate diversity and yet are entirely intolerant of the beliefs of people you disagree with. There's a term for that. Do you want me to spell it out for you? H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

9) So you only practice your RKBA in the privacy of your home? How do you practice? Do you just tell everyone to duck?

10) Weren't you the same dope that told US this was the 21st Century? Stop living in the past and hating people living today for the sins of those long dead.

 

Thankfully I can count on most Christians not to judge this Atheist by the likes of you. But of course most of them live in the 21st Century and are not logic-challenged pricks.

 

 

Object all you want, claim victory all you want, I do not care, it's a free country and you have that right... although it won't make you right.

 

1) Go ahead and make your exception and by all means do try to enforce it. But again in the 21st Century and under the US Constitution there are no exceptions.

2) Ok a few people howled, BFD, what did it get them? Don;t we all have the right to howl? Isn't that precisely what you are doing right here and right now?

3) So not funding and blocking are the same to your deluded minded. LMMFAO!

4) Read your own posts. That is precisely what you are doing... preaching your philosophy. I wonder if you're winning any converts?

5) That is utter bullshit. There are too many examples of premature births going back to 20-something weeks gestation that PROVE that idiocy is wrong but again you are certainly entitled to your opinion... facts be damned.

6) Please explain in vivid detail how the words "In God we Trust" being imprinted on our money have restricted your ability to practice your atheism. I'm all ears.

7) Nice attempt to dodge my argument but alas your lead balloon has no wings. Do you have the RKBA outside of the privacy of your home, yes or no?

8) I have indeed heard of it... I just can't find it any where in the US Constitution. Maybe you can help me find it?

9) Well thankfully we have a Constitution that keeps opinions such as yours from having the force of law and we remain free.

10) I do watch what I write and I mean what I say.

Edited April 27, 2007 by DaGroaner

[Juggernaut 11,054]

Illustrating my point, we could fly the Christian flag higher. We do not.

We do not beat down you door, but will invite you in for some soup or a hot meal if you are homeless ect.

And STILL only hear about God if you ask. Our church does not have the money to hand out bibles.

But I am sure if you wanted one, one could be found for you.

 

Edit~ our courthouse flies the US and MICH. flag not the Christian one.

[Skull 0]

Fundie Atheists are a much greater threat to American freedom than Fundie Christians and anyone that thinks otherwise is either an idiot or a lying commie fruit loop.

I'm not an idiot, nor am I a lying commie fruit loop. Moreover, I am (albeit dormant, at the moment) probably what most would consider (mistakenly so, but nevertheless) a fundamentalist Christian, but let me tell you: making a distinction between those two groups is a mistake. Human nature is such that it invariably drifts toward forcing people that you don't like to agree with things they don't like. I don't want my church in my government, just like I don't want my government in my church.

[DaGroaner 2]

Fundie Atheists are a much greater threat to American freedom than Fundie Christians and anyone that thinks otherwise is either an idiot or a lying commie fruit loop.

I'm not an idiot, nor am I a lying commie fruit loop. Moreover, I am (albeit dormant, at the moment) probably what most would consider (mistakenly so, but nevertheless) a fundamentalist Christian, but let me tell you: making a distinction between those two groups is a mistake. Human nature is such that it invariably drifts toward forcing people that you don't like to agree with things they don't like. I don't want my church in my government, just like I don't want my government in my church.

 

 

I'm sorry, I guess you missed the basis for my distinction. One is militantly activist and the other is passive. You can choose not to see the difference but I won't be joining you in that denial.

Edited April 27, 2007 by DaGroaner

[Skull 0]

I am all for free speech. (Nazis are exeption to that rule).

I had to stop reading here. Clearly, Tigerclaw does not grasp the concept of free speech.

[Skull 0]

I'm sorry, I guess you missed the basis for my distinction. One is militantly activist and the other is passive. You can choose not to see the difference but I won't.

All I'm saying is, from someone on the inside, as it were, you're woefully overestimating the fundies' passivity. Do not mistake patience for passivity.

[DaGroaner 2]

I'm sorry, I guess you missed the basis for my distinction. One is militantly activist and the other is passive. You can choose not to see the difference but I won't.

All I'm saying is, from someone on the inside, as it were, you're woefully overestimating the fundies' passivity. Do not mistake patience for passivity.

 

 

So what happens when they get impatient? Are we going to see roaming gangs of Christians beheading the non-believers?

[Tigerclaw_x 1]

I am all for free speech. (Nazis are exeption to that rule).

I had to stop reading here. Clearly, Tigerclaw does not grasp the concept of free speech.

 

Mr. Skull.

 

I understand the concept of Free Speech. I also understand that certain groups are to be hunted down like the rabid dogs they really are. That includes Nazis, Nation of Islam, etc etc etc.

Nazi propaganda is forbidden in Germany and Austria. I think the same should be done here. Of course, they did not forbid the Islamofascists, and they will pay for it later with their blood, much to my regret. And, as always, US and Russia will have to save their behinds.

 

I applaud you, Mr. Skull. You said it in one single sentence what I wanted to say and could not find a way to do so: "I do not want the Church in my Government. Neither do I want the Government in my Church".

THANK YOU!!!!!!! I agree with EVERYTHING you said about religion and human nature. THANK YOU. Now I don't have to go into long details about what I want to say and what I mean. I can just say "I second what Mr. Skull said"

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN...

[Skull 0]

So what happens when they get impatient? Are we going to see roaming gangs of Christians beheading the non-believers?

Probably. And I wish I was kidding. If you want an inkling of how even western society starts to warp when you reach critical mass with respect to uniform religion, go live for awhile in Utah.

 

It's not hostile. It's passive aggressive. And it's not anyone's fault, really, nor is it deliberate, but it really is human nature to vilify the "other".

[Juggernaut 11,054]

I think the current political climate would more likely have the Christians beheaded.

 

I KNOW THERE ARE BAD CHRISTIANS as well as bad Muslims an so on and so on......

[Skull 0]

I applaud you, Mr. Skull. You said it in one single sentence what I wanted to say and could not find a way to do so: "I do not want the Church in my Government. Neither do I want the Government in my Church".

THANK YOU!!!!!!! I agree with EVERYTHING you said about religion and human nature. THANK YOU. Now I don't have to go into long details about what I want to say and what I mean. I can just say "I second what Mr. Skull said"

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN...

Before you applaud me too much, keep this in mind: I don't want your militant atheism in my government, either.

[DaGroaner 2]

I am all for free speech. (Nazis are exeption to that rule).

I had to stop reading here. Clearly, Tigerclaw does not grasp the concept of free speech.

 

Mr. Skull.

 

I understand the concept of Free Speech. I also understand that certain groups are to be hunted down like the rabid dogs they really are. That includes Nazis, Nation of Islam, etc etc etc.

Nazi propaganda is forbidden in Germany and Austria. I think the same should be done here. Of course, they did not forbid the Islamofascists, and they will pay for it later with their blood, much to my regret. And, as always, US and Russia will have to save their behinds.

 

I applaud you, Mr. Skull. You said it in one single sentence what I wanted to say and could not find a way to do so: "I do not want the Church in my Government. Neither do I want the Government in my Church".

THANK YOU!!!!!!! I agree with EVERYTHING you said about religion and human nature. THANK YOU. Now I don't have to go into long details about what I want to say and what I mean. I can just say "I second what Mr. Skull said"

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN...

 

 

In that case you should have no trouble pointing out which church it is that is trying to get into your government and that has forced you to become so fearful of them. Tell me who they are and I'll write them a letter asking them to please stop doing that.

Edited April 27, 2007 by DaGroaner

[Skull 0]

I think the current political climate would more likely have the Christians beheaded.

I agree. But political climates change, and when they do, quite often abruptly and violently so.

 

I would like nothing more than for my fears to be proven unfounded.

[Skull 0]

I am all for free speech. (Nazis are exeption to that rule).

I had to stop reading here. Clearly, Tigerclaw does not grasp the concept of free speech.

I understand the concept of Free Speech. I also understand that certain groups are to be hunted down like the rabid dogs they really are. That includes Nazis, Nation of Islam, etc etc etc.

Nazi propaganda is forbidden in Germany and Austria. I think the same should be done here. Of course, they did not forbid the Islamofascists, and they will pay for it later with their blood, much to my regret. And, as always, US and Russia will have to save their behinds.

The role of government is to police actions, not opinions or the expression thereof. This is why you do not understand the concept of free speech.

[rwsackett 0]

So what happens when they get impatient? Are we going to see roaming gangs of Christians beheading the non-believers?

Probably. And I wish I was kidding. If you want an inkling of how even western society starts to warp when you reach critical mass with respect to uniform religion, go live for awhile in Utah.

 

It's not hostile. It's passive aggressive. And it's not anyone's fault, really, nor is it deliberate, but it really is human nature to vilify the "other".

 

 

Woefully misguided Skull, most Christians I know will turn the other cheek to the point of almost not fighting back. Also, as a sidebar to the Utah reference, Mormons are not Christians. They have a whole series of post new testament gospels.

[Tigerclaw_x 1]

I applaud you, Mr. Skull. You said it in one single sentence what I wanted to say and could not find a way to do so: "I do not want the Church in my Government. Neither do I want the Government in my Church".

THANK YOU!!!!!!! I agree with EVERYTHING you said about religion and human nature. THANK YOU. Now I don't have to go into long details about what I want to say and what I mean. I can just say "I second what Mr. Skull said"

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN...

Before you applaud me too much, keep this in mind: I don't want your militant atheism in my government, either.

 

 

Mr. Skull. I do not applaud you TOO much. I applaud you on THAT issue. I still disagree with you on a right of nazi scumbags to spew forth their bile. And yes. Atheism should have NO place in the government either.

The religion and state should be SEPARATED. People should be free to believe in anything they wish, and accept the consequences for this. Before anyone gets upset, by "consequences" i mean the following:

Lets say you are a jew. You are told to come to work on Saturday, you refused. Get ready to be fired. Lets say you are muslim, working in a meat store. You are told to pack some pork. You refused. Get ready to be fired.

However, I agree with you wholeheartingly on your stance on Religion and GOvernment. God has no place in the walls of any federal and state buildings. Government watchdogs (other then IRS), have no place in Churches.

[Skull 0]

Woefully misguided Skull, most Christians I know will turn the other cheek to the point of almost not fighting back.

I agree, but they key is the "fighting back" part. When you're bringing your message of hope that everyone agrees with, you're not fighting at all. They're fighting -- you're just trying to help.

 

Now, keep in mind, a true Christian would never do this, but Christianity is espoused much more than it is practiced.

 

Also, as a sidebar to the Utah reference, Mormons are not Christians. They have a whole series of post new testament gospels.

Which is why I specifically avoided saying they were. The Seventh-Day Adventist communities of Berrien Springs, Michigan or Loma Linda, California serve as other non-LDS examples, but they're less well-known.

[DaGroaner 2]

I think the current political climate would more likely have the Christians beheaded.

I agree. But political climates change, and when they do, quite often abruptly and violently so.

 

I would like nothing more than for my fears to be proven unfounded.

 

 

There is simply no Christian religion with enough people, money or power to ever accomplish what it is you fear which appears to be the establishment of a theocracy in the USA. That is a fact, therefore your fears have just been proven unfounded. You may now rest easy.

 

I'll be sending you a bill.

[DaGroaner 2]

Now, keep in mind, a true Christian would never do this, but Christianity is espoused much more than it is practiced.

 

I think you are absolutely and positively wrong on this. I've already said it several times in this thread... the exception does not prove the rule as much as atheists and media outlets would like it to. The vast majority of Christians are just that, Christian.

[Juggernaut 11,054]

[Koliadko 207]

I think the current political climate would more likely have the Christians beheaded.

I agree. But political climates change, and when they do, quite often abruptly and violently so.

 

I would like nothing more than for my fears to be proven unfounded.

 

 

There is simply no Christian religion with enough people, money or power to ever accomplish what it is you fear which appears to be the establishment of a theocracy in the USA. That is a fact, therefore your fears have just been proven unfounded. You may now rest easy.

 

I'll be sending you a bill.

 

 

I don't know of one single Christian in this country that wants a theocracy. But, having said that, this country was founded by Christians with Christian values. This is a Christian nation. And would someone please show me the separtaion of church and state in the Constitution? Far as I've seen, it's a letter Jefferson wrote to the Baptist church. The reason for the letter was to calm their fears of ONE church running the State.

I spent most of my life as an agnostic. I started to rehink my view on religion after my brother committed suicide. But others praying has NEVER bothered me. You idiot atheists need to grow thicker skin. No one has ever been harmed by being in the same room with someone that is praying. GET OVER IT!!!

[ryancrowder 17]

This country WAS founded on Christianity, Christian beliefs, and values. Do you think that the creators of the Constitution intended for it to be amended to death, and bastardized the way that it has?

[G O B 3,516]

The separation of church and state was one of the reasons for the revolution. It was still fresh in the consciousness of the American people what the CHURCH (church of england-epischopal) had done to Maryland. The Colony of Maryland had been founded by Catholics as a free (religiously) colony. Within a few generations, the colony was majority Church of England (free white landowners- the only people allowed to vote). As soon as they became the majority- they passed laws removing the vote from all but Church of England faithfull- If you were not enrolled in thhat church you could no longer vote. Soon they revoked the right of Catholics and anyone NOT Church of England to own property. This was a naked land grab.

Any attempt to have a STATE religion is an affront to freedom and a resounding call to revolution.