ForGreatJustice 1 Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 So as most of you know, the Army is going to field a new M-16 underslung shotgun system, developed by C-more. It's a 2.5 lb shotgun that hangs on an M16 and operates by straight pull bolt action. The only reason I post it here, is because of the magazine....check it out: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonaxe 0 Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Those Mags look VERY familiar....... That's sooo freaking awesome! I wonder why it's straight pull instead of pump action....? I would think that straight pull would be more cumbersome. I wonder if this is a sign that we will have domestically produced saiga mags? If so, I'm hoping for some 8 rounders! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beerslurpy 1 Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Arent shotguns against the hague convention since they cause too much maiming and are of too large a caliber? Then again the US might only be a party to geneva and not hague (possibly I think) which raises the question of why we dont use hollow points in the 9mm sidearm. More on topic, isnt that a saiga mag? I think a good automatic shotgun would be a great infantry tool, especially for city fighting. A USAS 12 with a 30 rd drum would have a lot of parts commonality with the M16 and it would be devastatingly effective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 (edited) i think someone in the army bitched to the right guy and got something done for a change. steel buckshot would work wonders out of an automatic shotgun on alots of things. I bet you could almost shoot an RPG down with that...... theres that 14" shotgun barrel i was talking about in another thread...... Edited September 17, 2004 by Bvamp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonaxe 0 Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 I knew it was a Saiga mag, I was just being silly. Also, I guess it would be weird to have a pump with the mag in the way.... I've seen plenty of pics of US soldiers carrying shotguns. They might be used for room entry purposes, but they have that big ass crowbar thing for that. I read in SOF that the shotgun is becoming a popular weapon amonst troops in Iraq. Being able to engage(and kill) targets even out to 50yds. Hell, they've used .50cals on people, that's not exactly humane. An auto shotgun would be great, to bad they can't have the Jackhammer!!! Now that thing was freaking sick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 14" barrel AFTER the crowbar 4 feet from the entry with buchshot or flechette == bad thing for whoever is on the other side. there is a multi-projectile .50 round btw, or was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonaxe 0 Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Ah, yes. I was just thinking about the use of slugs for blowing a door off it's hinges. I hear that with many Special forces teams, that the first guy who enters a room tends to be armed with a shotgun. That way he can quicky deal with anyone in one of the blind corners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ozone_00 3 Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 (edited) In the October issue of Guns & Weapons For Law Enforcement, in the New For Swat column there is a short write-up about thee Auto Assault 12 in development by Military Police system. What the hell, it's a short article, I'll just type it out for y'all. Now in final development, the Auto Assault 12 full automatic shotgun is a straight-line design that's gas operated, firing from an open bolt. Working off the constant recoil principle, the bolt group of the A-12 does not stop against a shoulder, but is slowed by a long 2-stage recoil spring, thus eliminating most of the recoil. The AA-12's versatile pull-through triggr system allows either single shots or full-auto fire at a cyclic rate of 500 rounds per minute (rpm). Made of special corrosion-resistant stainless steel and high strength synthetic, the AA-12 needs no lubrication, and accepts 8-round box magazines as well as 20-round and 32-round drum magazines. Accepting 13 to 18-inch quick-change barrels, the AA-12 can also mount an M16 bayonet. For information, contact Military Police System, 1356 Enterprise Rd., Dept. GW/LE, Piney Flats, TN 37686; 423-391-0250. The caption on the photo says: Military Police System new Auto Assault 12 is a selective fire shotgun with extremely mild recoil due to its innovative mechanism. Just wish I had a scanner so I could post this pic. Can't seem to find a pic on the net. It looks omething like a cross between a USAS -12 and a Saiga-12. Edited September 17, 2004 by ozone_00 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USMC_LB 4 Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 This is the Atchisson Assault shotgun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USMC_LB 4 Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 here is the 1972 version Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USMC_LB 4 Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Go here to download a movie of someone shooting the 1984 version ( 20 round drum & stick magazines ) Atchisson Full Auto Shotgun video Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 I heard some time ogo that unkle Sam had bought up all the s-12 mags for a new shotty. Looks like that under barell unit is the one! I would bet that they are using PM 'door busters' in that thang! (OPEN SEZ ME!) G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ozone_00 3 Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Yeah, the one in the magazine looked like the top one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForGreatJustice 1 Posted September 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 By the by, the C-more LSS is designed for door breaching applications. the straightpull doesn't make it a very efficient combat weapon. It's done instead of a pump to keep the shotgun light, and ergonomic to use in the underslung position. Also, RE Hague, I think the Hague convention applies only to war. And, just like in Vietnam, I don't believe Congress actually declared war on Iraq. Kinda funny, eh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rowdy1124 0 Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 We use the M12 shotgun for combat engineers... They use is for "door breaching", but it tends to be loaded with buckshot.. good luck bad guys and if you want to talk about war conventions, then you need to pay special attention to what the CIA/NSA wear... no uniforms... therefore much looser convention applications.. kinda like ninjas anyways, i think a good field load at 25 meters could do an arab good....and i'd hate to be on the wrong end of a ranger that can select between 12ga short barrel and .223 M16 rounds... have a good one guys, and sleep easy, there are still men on the wall... ~Rowdy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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