Giuliani: I support right to bear arms

[jrance@iacwds.com 716]

All I can tell you is that I remember George Bush Sr. joining the NRA during his campaign. After the election (in December) before he took office he resigned his membership and brought us his horrendous executive order in 1989 outlawing importation of Uzis and AK-47s and H&K and FN-FAL and sundry other goodies. They remain illegal under this same executive order issued by President George H.W. Bush in 1989. Now if that bastard can turn on a dime and screw me within three months of being elected, what about this guy? The current President G.W. Bush said that he was in favor of extending the f.u. 1994 Clinton Assault Weapon Ban that would have precluded us from converting our Saigas under 922r. I am not a one issue voter but this issue is very important to me and I have been screwed over by campaign promises before by our current prsident and his daddy. I must tell you that Ronald Reagan never screwed the people over. You knew what he stood for and he stayed with it for real and not just some campaign "stay the course" bullsh-t slogan. Thoughts?

1911

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070921/...8z2JT1pvCs0NUE

 

Giuliani: I support right to bear arms

 

By LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer

9 minutes ago

 

WASHINGTON - Republican Rudy Giuliani sought to reassure the National Rifle Association of his support for a constitutional right to bear arms as rivals Fred Thompson, John McCain and Mike Huckabee contended the former New York mayor is no friend of gun owners.

 

In a direct appeal Friday to the powerful lobbying group, Thompson, McCain and Huckabee stressed their backing for gun rights and record of siding with the NRA. Giuliani, who once referred to the NRA as "extremists," tried to explain his shifting views on the issue.

 

The NRA's support is prized as the group blankets its 4 million members with ads, mailings and phone calls. Before the 2008 election, it hopes to increase its numbers.

 

"I'd like us to respect each other; I think we have very, very legitimate and mostly similar views," Giuliani told NRA members, who clapped politely a dozen times during his 20-minute speech.

 

Giuliani also tried to explain why, as mayor, he joined a lawsuit by several cities against the gun industry, arguing that manufacturers and distributors made it too easy for criminals to get guns.

 

On Friday, he said the ongoing lawsuit "has taken several turns and several twists I don't agree with."

 

Giuliani, an outspoken proponent of gun control during his eight years as mayor, said Friday he agrees with a recent federal court ruling that overturned a 30-year-old ban on private ownership of handguns in Washington, D.C. He added that he would appoint judges who take a similarly strict view of the Constitution and the Second Amendment.

 

Despite Giuliani's changing views, NRA chief Wayne LaPierre said: "All I know is, I liked what I heard today. It's a good thing, if a politician sees the light and supports the Second Amendment."

 

Thompson, McCain and Huckabee chose to highlight their record on gun rights in a veiled criticism of Giuliani and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. In 1994, Romney supported the Brady gun control law and said he wouldn't be the hero of the NRA.

 

Romney became a lifetime member of the NRA in 2006. He addressed the group by video Friday.

 

"Let me speak very directly and candidly about where I stand: I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American. It's essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights," he said.

 

Thompson, who makes a point of visiting gun shops and gun shows in early voting states, received a warmer reception from the audience of about 500 people, some of whom stood and cheered when he said: "Our basic rights come from God, not from government."

 

Thompson recently indicated that he wouldn't talk about his faith on the campaign trail.

 

"It's not just a matter of promises made, as far as I'm concerned. It's a matter of commitments that have been kept," Thompson said.

 

McCain criticized Giuliani outright, citing the use of the word "extremists" in reference to the NRA.

 

"My friends, gun owners are not extremists; you are the core of modern America," the Arizona senator said. "The Second Amendment is unique in the world and at the core of our constitutional freedoms. It guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms. To argue anything else is to reject the clear meaning of our founding fathers.

 

Anti-war protesters from the group Code Pink interrupted his speech and were escorted from the hotel ballroom.

 

Later, in Indianapolis, McCain was asked about Giuliani's remarks in support of gun rights.

 

"I know that he had a very different position when he was mayor of New York City. I have had the same position as a member of the House and the Senate for many years," McCain said.

 

The candidates spoke to the NRA as gun violence occurred on another college campus. Two students were shot and wounded, one seriously, at Delaware State University, and the campus was locked down as police searched for a gunman.

 

Such tragedies inevitably prompt politicians to argue over whether more or fewer gun restrictions would prevent gun crimes. Giuliani said he believes the best way to prevent such crimes is to enforce existing gun laws, not create new ones.

 

The former mayor said his views on gun rights were tempered by the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks: "Sept. 11 casts somewhat of a different light on Second Amendment rights; it maybe highlights the necessity for them more," Giuliani said.

 

Giuliani sought to make the case for his candidacy by highlighting his front-runner status in national polls.

 

"You never get a candidate you agree with 100 percent — I'm not sure I even agree with myself 100 percent," Giuliani said. "You have to figure out who's electable, who can win. Because if we make a mistake about that, this country is going to go in a direction that I think you and I very much disagree with."

 

Giuliani has said recently that what has worked in New York might not work elsewhere, a notion that Huckabee scoffed at.

 

The former Arkansas governor said it was "absurd, laughable, that we would have geographic boundaries on the tenets of the Second Amendment."

 

Giuliani's cell phone rang in the middle of his speech; he said it was his wife, Judith, and as the audience laughed, he answered it and had a brief conversation.

Edited September 22, 2007 by 1911

[G O B 3,516]

Yeah, right.

 

 

And he won't come in you'r mouth,

 

the check is in the mail,

 

 

and he will only just put the head of it in.

 

 

 

edited once again for dypslepcia and atrocious typing skills.

Edited September 22, 2007 by G O B

[Gaddis 1,689]

All he needs to do now to complete the charade is ask John Kerry where he bought his deer hunting clothes at.

 

Instead of politetly clapping, the NRA members should have jumped up on stage kicked him a new asshole after he finished his bullshit speech.

 

Fuck, I still can't spell "politely" to save my life.

Edited September 22, 2007 by Gaddis

[Pointer 21]

Funk him..dirty lying politicians will say/do anything to get elected.He said gun laws should be desided buy each state...am i wrong to believe the 2nd amendment is a federal US document covering all of America? All this from the guy who ran one of the most gun restrictive citys in the U.S. His past record speaks volumes! And i thought Kerry was the king of Flip/Flops.

[MD_Willington 11]

Hey if you want the Republican vote, you spin a yarn about hunting, if you want the Dem vote it's healthcare...

 

The poop will hit the turbine this election...

 

I'm a bit of a chicken little on this, but I have a bad feeling about us firearms owners this election...

[Koliadko 207]

Giuliani is a RINO. He He holds very few conservative views and I don't believe this is one of them. I sure ain't voting for him.

[DaGroaner 2]

Guliani is 100% RINO and 100% anti-Second Amendment after he's elected. The only way I'd vote for the POS was he was my only real choice... and he might be. Get out and vote in the primary it's never been more important than now.

[SaigaNoobie 66]

Guliani is 100% RINO and 100% anti-Second Amendment after he's elected. The only way I'd vote for the POS was he was my only real choice... and he might be. Get out and vote in the primary it's never been more important than now.

 

Aye the primary is important. A Guiliani vs. Clinton election is like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. . .

 

On a side note, Where in the Constitution does it give Hillary the right, if elected, to force every American Citizen to buy a Healthcare plan? I'm not saying that every American shouldn't have the option to get a healthcare plan, but where does it say that she can make a law forcing you to?

 

She'll find a way to give the Healthcare to welfare recipients and force the bill onto the American Worker. Why can't these socialist politicians MOVE elsewhere if they think "re-distributing" the wealth is so great.

 

Also, did you hear that the Pope is a communist? True story. He says that Capitalism is bad and that we should practice more "Sharing" I.E. give freebies to the poor, or in the Catholic's case, Central and South Americans, since they are the poorest Roman-Catholics I can think of. . . And here I used to think Catholics were cool.

[az_shootist 0]

I must tell you that Ronald Reagan never screwed the people over. You knew what he stood for and he stayed with it for real and not just some campaign "stay the course" bullsh-t slogan.

 

The Firearm Owners Protection Act banned machineguns during Reagan's watch. As far as 2nd amendment rights are concerned, we have to give some credit to GW Bush for a: Allowing the Assault Weapons Ban to sunset and not advocating it's renewal b: Appointing two supreme court justices who are known to support the 2nd ammendment.

[Pointer 21]

I must tell you that Ronald Reagan never screwed the people over. You knew what he stood for and he stayed with it for real and not just some campaign "stay the course" bullsh-t slogan.

 

The Firearm Owners Protection Act banned machineguns during Reagan's watch. As far as 2nd amendment rights are concerned, we have to give some credit to GW Bush for a: Allowing the Assault Weapons Ban to sunset and not advocating it's renewal b: Appointing two supreme court justices who are known to support the 2nd ammendment.

 

No,give credit to the senate..they were the ones keeping it from reaching Bushes desk,he stated he would sign it if it did.

[az_shootist 0]

I must tell you that Ronald Reagan never screwed the people over. You knew what he stood for and he stayed with it for real and not just some campaign "stay the course" bullsh-t slogan.

 

The Firearm Owners Protection Act banned machineguns during Reagan's watch. As far as 2nd amendment rights are concerned, we have to give some credit to GW Bush for a: Allowing the Assault Weapons Ban to sunset and not advocating it's renewal b: Appointing two supreme court justices who are known to support the 2nd ammendment.

 

No,give credit to the senate..they were the ones keeping it from reaching Bushes desk,he stated he would sign it if it did.

 

True, though I believe he said that while knowing it would never happen. Any president who truly supported it would have raised hell about letting it expire. But you're right, the Senate certainly did it's part.

[G O B 3,516]

I do not trust any politician who does not own several Saigas!

[Azrial 1,091]

I would say that New York City Firearm laws in effect are a sure indicator of Giuliani's lack of support for the Second Amendment. I am voting for Fred Thompson.

[Koliadko 207]

At this point in time, I'm behind Thompson. But I wouldn't go to the poles lacking the knowledge about the candidates I do now. I surely will be doing more research before I do head to the poles. Sorry guys, but I just can't gt behind Paul. His stance on Iraq goes beyond all that I stand for. I know way too many people over there, or know people that have family over there, to ever vote for him.

[G O B 3,516]

I believe that almost everything we are told about Iraq is a lie. Bush has been bailed out by the Saudi royal family every time he fucked up, and he fucked up everything he ever touched. Sadam was underselling oil, we are there for no other reason than to drive oil up to $80 a barrell. Our brave service men and women are NOT the issue. They are the best and finest of us all. Having a deserter wrap himself in the flag and send good men to their death for debts that he owes to forign potentates, and so Dick can make further billions from no-bid contracts is the ultimate obscenity.

[notenoughtime3 0]

......I think this thread goes hand in hand with the New York thread.

[Koliadko 207]

I believe that almost everything we are told about Iraq is a lie. Bush has been bailed out by the Saudi royal family every time he fucked up, and he fucked up everything he ever touched. Sadam was underselling oil, we are there for no other reason than to drive oil up to $80 a barrell. Our brave service men and women are NOT the issue. They are the best and finest of us all. Having a deserter wrap himself in the flag and send good men to their death for debts that he owes to forign potentates, and so Dick can make further billions from no-bid contracts is the ultimate obscenity.

 

 

I don't buy that. One of the hispanic kids I know is in Aphganistan. He thinks we're doing good over there. Honestly Joe, can you say any different?