athree 0 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 how well would the 410 be for home security only,this is all that the gun would be used for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lenf 5 Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 There's been lots of discussion about the 410 as a home defense weapon over the last few months. Go back through the forum and look around. The general agreement is that 000 buckshot is plenty effective, with comparatively minimal wall penetration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
athree 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madwulf 0 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 I agree with the light shot loading. A .410 would be a great home defense weapon shooting small BB shot. It's damn loud (if you are in front of it - or behind it in a tight hallway) and it packs quite a punch at point blank close range (across a small room). If you have a Saiga 410 - you have four rounds to shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. (unless you are lucky enough to have a higher capacity magazine) Having the Saiga in hand will visually deter most any short-head that might be unlawfully entering your abode. After all, it looks like an AK. Especially when you rack a round into play, and then point it. It's not so hard to hang onto as a 12 guage, when simply doing a "Rambo" shot either. Go somewhere SAFE and practice different shooting stances and holds. Shoot it from the waist. Shoot it from the shoulder. Point it like a pistol and fire a few. These are all ways one might end up shooting in a home defense situation. Practice them all. You will feel better and will enjoy a day at the range. It's too bad one can't get flachette ammo for this size. - Liam Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmhai 0 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I agree with the light shot loading. A .410 would be a great home defense weapon shooting small BB shot. It's damn loud (if you are in front of it - or behind it in a tight hallway) and it packs quite a punch at point blank close range (across a small room). If you have a Saiga 410 - you have four rounds to shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. (unless you are lucky enough to have a higher capacity magazine) Having the Saiga in hand will visually deter most any short-head that might be unlawfully entering your abode. After all, it looks like an AK. Especially when you rack a round into play, and then point it. It's not so hard to hang onto as a 12 guage, when simply doing a "Rambo" shot either. Go somewhere SAFE and practice different shooting stances and holds. Shoot it from the waist. Shoot it from the shoulder. Point it like a pistol and fire a few. These are all ways one might end up shooting in a home defense situation. Practice them all.You will feel better and will enjoy a day at the range. It's too bad one can't get flachette ammo for this size. - Liam I agree with your post.... and I believe once the high cap mags are more common and cheaper the 410's will be very popular for Home Defense... OOHH look just what happen to be leaning between the headboard and nightstand.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Madwulf 0 Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Nice 410 you have there! I see you have the dust cover mounted optics and light. I have the same folding stock mechanism but with an AR style stock. The hinge gets in the way of a side rail mount - when you want to slide it on or off. Is that a standard AK top cover? I've not yet purchased on to see if it fits, but it looks like you did. My 410 'folder resides within quick reach of the bed also. The wife likes it being there. - Liam www.madwulf.com/Saiga410.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 The slugs are 97 grains at 1800fps. If you trust a pistol, you better trust that slug to kill something even deader. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saigafreake 27 Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 I would go with one of my 12ga first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhereg 0 Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 (edited) I would't feel (too) underarmed w/ a 410, but I also don't think that anything less than buckshot is appropriate for defensive purposes. Birdshot doesn't have sufficient mass to guarantee sufficient penetration & strike vitals. If I have to use a shotgun for defensive purposes my goal is to stop them *RIGHT NOW*, not make them hurt, or kill them 2 weeks from now. A nasty shallow would from birdshot is not sufficient to accomplish that. Which for me means the only choices for defensive use w/ a 410 is 000 buck, 00 buck, or slugs. Edited April 29, 2008 by jhereg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Steel hulls in #3 buck as well as slugs are available, and are both great for HD. Check Sportsman's Guide, the "bear", wether silver,brown, or gold as well as Barnul ammo are all Barnul manufactured. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhereg 0 Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Steel hulls in #3 buck as well as slugs are available, and are both great for HD. Check Sportsman's Guide, the "bear", wether silver,brown, or gold as well as Barnul ammo are all Barnul manufactured. Are you sure the steel hulls stuff is #3 buck? My understanding is that they are #3 shot which is quite a bit smaller. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Probably a typo of #4 buck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhereg 0 Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Probably a typo of #4 buck. I've got a box of the Barnaul ammo sitting next to me. It's got a black plastic cap over with a 3 on it. It has been my understanding that it's #3 shot, not #3 Buck. That would also make sense since it's my understanding that you can stack BB shot in a 410 hull like buckshot in a normal shotshell. Withthat being the case, it makes more sense to shoot 00 or 000 out of a 410 since you will have a lot more mass per pellet, and you shouldn't gain a significant # of pellets w/ the #3 buck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 You might be right, but I've never seen the stuff. I just checked my #4 Barnaul, it says 8 on the cap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Those in the wike's S-14 are older Barnul. They say 3 shot, and the cap says 3. The newer Golden Bear is #4 buck. Both the Barnul and the Silver Bear slugs are 95 gr. Looks like it's time to rotate the ammo and stick 4 #4 in front of 5 slugs in her mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhereg 0 Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Those in the wike's S-14 are older Barnul. They say 3 shot, and the cap says 3. The newer Golden Bear is #4 buck. Both the Barnul and the Silver Bear slugs are 95 gr. Looks like it's time to rotate the ammo and stick 4 #4 in front of 5 slugs in her mags. How many #4 Buck are they fitting in a 410 shell? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Those in the wike's S-14 are older Barnul. They say 3 shot, and the cap says 3. The newer Golden Bear is #4 buck. Both the Barnul and the Silver Bear slugs are 95 gr. Looks like it's time to rotate the ammo and stick 4 #4 in front of 5 slugs in her mags. How many #4 Buck are they fitting in a 410 shell? The same as they are 00 and 000 buck, 5. It's a single stack arrangement even with #4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 I forgot to add that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turbo1889 1 Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 (edited) For any out there still doubting the ability of a S-410 to weild deadly force against a two legged critter I've got a photo for you: Warning link below leads to graphic photo of dead guy with hole in head: http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/apr...esearch2_10.jpg Reportably that's the entry hole for a 410 load of bird shot in very close quarters. Edited with link to photo instead of just photo due to complaints. Edited June 8, 2008 by turbo1889 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agias 0 Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 For chirsts sake i was eating Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE_HUNTER 2 Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Oh god, warning next time, I don't need to see shit like that anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BearCreek 0 Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Can I see that in 12 gauge, please?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Doctor 0 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Can I see that in 12 gauge, please?? When it comes to holes in Bad Guys bigger is better. If my only unit was a .410 that would be fine, but this is why God invented Magnum Revolvers. The 'little' one is a Smith .357. The Big Guy is a Smith 500. Git 'er done! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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