slammer 0 Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 I am becoming more interested in the Saiga 12 and i am curious if anyone knows how well or if this weapons platform will cycle less lethal rounds? any info would be appreciated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monk 0 Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 I am becoming more interested in the Saiga 12 and i am curious if anyone knows how well or if this weapons platform will cycle less lethal rounds? any info would be appreciated. Highly doubt it. Just get a pump if you wanna spew anything other than lead or steel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slammer 0 Posted June 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 I am becoming more interested in the Saiga 12 and i am curious if anyone knows how well or if this weapons platform will cycle less lethal rounds? any info would be appreciated. Highly doubt it. Just get a pump if you wanna spew anything other than lead or steel. thanks im a cop and my dept is cheap i got a pump but the S 12 looks interesting but i definatly got to be able to get less lethal option Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chicknman72 0 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I don't think Saiga 12's handle non-lethal rounds. I did see a really nice Mossberg (Ibelieve) the other day when I bought my Saiga. IT was a pump, stainless steel with an adjustable stock, and a doorbuster choke......she was just beautiful. If I wasn't so hell bent on this Saiga, I would have taken her home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I am becoming more interested in the Saiga 12 and i am curious if anyone knows how well or if this weapons platform will cycle less lethal rounds? any info would be appreciated. this one was posted by Tony, it was for light target rounds I think but it was said not to work with less lethal well. But maybe some thing can be done. It has shorten gas system for SBS but a long barrel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GTwannabe 1 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I am becoming more interested in the Saiga 12 and i am curious if anyone knows how well or if this weapons platform will cycle less lethal rounds? any info would be appreciated. Highly doubt it. Just get a pump if you wanna spew anything other than lead or steel. thanks im a cop and my dept is cheap i got a pump but the S 12 looks interesting but i definatly got to be able to get less lethal option Read Gunfixer's thread about his improved gas knob. He has a 0 setting on his prototype knob that blocks enough gas to prevent light loads from short-cycling the action. In practice, the magnum setting (1) on the factory knob should prevent the action from short-cycling less-than-lethal ammo. Just rack the bolt between shots. Plus, don't forget the intimidation factor of having a 20-round drum under your weapon! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DONNNELLY 3 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 (edited) Well, taser is coming out with a round for a shotgun that works similiar to their taser gun. Saw it on future weapons. Edited June 24, 2008 by streetrod Quote Link to post Share on other sites
topmaul 42 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I have never shot LTL rounds but you can easily jack manualy the bolt after you fire if you need to. My gun fires Feocchi reduced recoil #8s with no problem that is the lightest ammo I have ever used. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 The S-12 would not cycle any of the LtL rounds I tried to put through it! I have a Mossberg 590 for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slammer 0 Posted June 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Thanks to everyone who replied with info sounds like im gonna need to stick with my pump 870. Ill keep my eyes on this maybe someone will come up with something and i can then get one (s12). Once again thanks for all the help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pistol fixer 0 Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 Hello Slammer; i am the training officer for P.D., it is not a good idea to use the same gun for both live and LTL. the LTL gun should be marked , most are panted so it is not confused with a live gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 A pump is good enough for duty use. You're not the Army. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodgeturbointerceptor 1 Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 (edited) Howdy there. Got alot of time with Less than Lethal rounds(can't call them NON-lethal due to possible lethality if fired at critical areas). I was a (NON Lethal) L-T-L instructor/ MP 5811 for the Corps in 2000-2002 at the I MEF course at Camp Pendleton. Used mostly mossberg 500/590's. Benelli M4's cycled some poorly. namely fin-stabilized rounds. (which feel like paintball rounds. I had a E-4 accidently discharge his shotgun into my lower back. It hurt, and left a welt I would equal to a paintball. or maybe a SIMUNITION round. A bit snappier. Bean bags when fired leave nice little ball bearing sized indents on wood, and the canvas bean bag looks worn over the BB's/pellets. They crack boards. These are my favorites. I would dread taking one of these on a rib. SNAP! I have bean bag rounds, and fin stablized rounds for my siaga. (don't ask where i FOUND them) My 19" stock S-12 will cycle 4 out of 5 times on the bean bags. And these had noticeable kick. The fin stabilized fired and didn't come close to cycling. Almost no felt kick. Like a pellet gun. But if I were using a LTL round. It would definitely be the bean bag due to increased recoil. and obviously more energy. 25 meters is the training standard. Anything more. you may need to offset aim higher. And the chance of that rectangular, or square bean bag missing the mark opens up. Remeber ...NO CRITICAL AREA HITS. At least in training. edit~Remember. Center of mass shots. I won't go over what the legal ramifications of shooting an intruder in a home defense situation. I'm no lawyer.~edit Edited June 26, 2008 by dodgeturbointerceptor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slammer 0 Posted June 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 Hello Slammer;i am the training officer for P.D., it is not a good idea to use the same gun for both live and LTL. the LTL gun should be marked , most are panted so it is not confused with a live gun. Im a Less Lethal Instructor I am aware of the color codes was just looking into that weapon for my Less Lethal gun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodgeturbointerceptor 1 Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 LEO? MIL? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slammer 0 Posted June 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 LEO? MIL? USMC for ten years then went Law Enforcement Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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