Triggerhappy2006 0 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Okay I am about to start my Saiga Pistol Grip Conversion but i want to know if it will be legal in NYS providing that it is in compliance with 922, not classified as an assault rifle under NYS penal law. Are there any specific laws banning the AK series or duplicate weapons and is Saiga even considered a duplicate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lonz 1 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Me & 22 shooter are from the state of NY , you need to be 922R compliant to run your pistol grip w/ Hi cap. And all of your "hi-caps" need to be "pre-ban". Indy also has a good writeup http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26422&hl= Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) 922r is a federal issue, so it applies to all. As far as NY, we still have that damn AWB. So that being said..... 1) No bayo-lug 2) No flash hiders (permanently attached brakes are legal) 3) No telescoping/collapsing stocks 4) All mags that hold more than 10 rounds must be pre-ban (very easy to come by with AK's) ........on a post-ban rifle. Which all Saigas are. It's easy, because #1 and #2 don't even apply to factory Saigas because they don't have them. For mags, your best bet is East German mags, they are guaranteed pre-ban. EDIT: Do check out the link above, for more info. I gave you the "cliff-notes" version, but it gets the point across . Edited September 26, 2008 by 22_Shooter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Triggerhappy2006 0 Posted September 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 thanks for the help guys its good to hear that there are still some gun lovers in NYS recently i have had some trouble with local LEO's harrasing me about my shooting, i figured i was one of the only ones out here. Thanks again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lonz 1 Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) What did you get harassed over? Edited September 26, 2008 by Lonz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moxie1c 3 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I plan on moving back to NY in January. Long Island is actually where I bought my Saiga back in early 06. Oddly enough you are TriggerHappy"06" so I just wanted to wish you luck. Indy's writeup is very valuable and NYS is the only reason that my barrel is not threaded, lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Triggerhappy2006 0 Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 i was harrassed on my saiga with the manufacturer stock! the police were called to my house because "their was a person with a high caliber rifle in the woods" i live in the backwoods of ulster county, i didnt see a problem apparently the police did, they said it was against the law to shoot within a half hour of sunset(false, i called them on that the next day), and when i they first came onto the property I heard radio chatter that said "suspect armed with an AK-47 and is considered dangerous" i have know idea how they even knew what kind of gun I had unless someone actually saw me enter the woods, but thats not the point I exited the woods with my gun in hand into my backyard they were waiting pistols in hand with lights. They told me to drop the weapon I complied, the next day I went down to the station and explained myself and wanted to file a complaint the Sergant immediatly emmerged and apoligized for the officers actions. Ever since that night every time I shoot the police show up, and question my Saiga on if its full auto and if it is legal. So I figure if I will be harrassed for it without a pistol grip it might as well have one! Sorry if I rambled but thats why I asked if there were any NYS laws against it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Fortunately for me, if I ever go back to New York State, it will be on active duty. Living as a civilian in a state with such inane and pointless laws has got to be a pain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
minter66 0 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) i was harrassed on my saiga with the manufacturer stock! the police were called to my house because "their was a person with a high caliber rifle in the woods" i live in the backwoods of ulster county, i didnt see a problem apparently the police did, they said it was against the law to shoot within a half hour of sunset(false, i called them on that the next day), and when i they first came onto the property I heard radio chatter that said "suspect armed with an AK-47 and is considered dangerous" i have know idea how they even knew what kind of gun I had unless someone actually saw me enter the woods, but thats not the point I exited the woods with my gun in hand into my backyard they were waiting pistols in hand with lights. They told me to drop the weapon I complied, the next day I went down to the station and explained myself and wanted to file a complaint the Sergant immediatly emmerged and apoligized for the officers actions. Ever since that night every time I shoot the police show up, and question my Saiga on if its full auto and if it is legal. So I figure if I will be harrassed for it without a pistol grip it might as well have one! Sorry if I rambled but thats why I asked if there were any NYS laws against it. Sorry to hear about your LEO's giving you such a hard time. Here in Texas LEO's and Civies support each other and even check each others guns out. I have two LEO's as neighbors in my neighborhood ( 1 even parks his PC in our street = good for us) and I have shown my 9mm S&W, 40 Taurus and my newly converted Saiga and he was impressed that a computer nerd could hack a gun up so well. Long Live The Republic Of Tejas (pulls revolvers and shoots into air) YEEHAWWWW Edited September 30, 2008 by minter66 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Boss 21 Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 I live in NY and I have carried firearms openly down the street, cops and DEC passed me by. Everyone stares, though :-/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mario 0 Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hey TriggerHappy, They were likely responding to a call from a non-gun owning neighbor that was from NYC and freaked when they saw you with a rifle. The only applicable law is that you can't shoot within 500ft of a dwelling unless you own/rent it or have written permission. And, of course, tresspassing if it was private land. I am a few hours away in Schoharie County. When I was getting ready to move here from Alaska, I called the local NYSP barracks and asked to speak to the Sgt. on duty so I could ask him about gun laws. I said I was moving from Alaska to his region of NY. Then there was silence.......until I heard: "Why the hell are you doing that!?!?!" Shoulda cancelled my plans right there. Mario Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 The only applicable law is that you can't shoot within 500ft of a dwelling unless you own/rent it or have written permission. You sure about this one? I was under the impression you had to be 500ft away from a house/dwelling, regardless of who owns it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tom-j 0 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 The only applicable law is that you can't shoot within 500ft of a dwelling unless you own/rent it or have written permission. You sure about this one? I was under the impression you had to be 500ft away from a house/dwelling, regardless of who owns it. Discharge of Firearms and Bows It is illegal to discharge a firearm or bow: * so that the load or arrow passes over any part of a public highway, * within 500 feet of any school, playground, or an occupied factory or church, * within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building or structure in occupation or use unless you own it, lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or have the owner's consent. * You may hunt waterfowl, over water, within 500 feet of a dwelling or public structure as long as neither are within 500 feet in the direction you are shooting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 The only applicable law is that you can't shoot within 500ft of a dwelling unless you own/rent it or have written permission. You sure about this one? I was under the impression you had to be 500ft away from a house/dwelling, regardless of who owns it. Discharge of Firearms and Bows It is illegal to discharge a firearm or bow: * so that the load or arrow passes over any part of a public highway, * within 500 feet of any school, playground, or an occupied factory or church, * within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building or structure in occupation or use unless you own it, lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or have the owner's consent. * You may hunt waterfowl, over water, within 500 feet of a dwelling or public structure as long as neither are within 500 feet in the direction you are shooting. Wow, that's awesome, and opens up some opportunities for me. Thanks for the info, much appreciated . All this time, I thought it was 500ft from a dwelling/house, period. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tom-j 0 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Here is the link I forgrt to post before. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28182.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Here is the link I forgrt to post before.http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28182.html Yup, I found it right after I read your last post. Thanks. My parents have a little land, with a huge steep hill that could be used as a backstop. I just never bothered to try shooting there, because I knew there was no way it was 500ft from the house to where I would shoot. Not that I could blast away for hours there, because they do have some elderly neighbors, but anything I order online, gets sent to their house (I don't live in the best part of town, and don't like packages sitting in the hallway), so it's nice to know that I could go right out back and test out gun related orders I get . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lonz 1 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Having land within earshot of a gun range is also a nice thing. Your neighbors dont think twice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Man I do feel for you NY'ers, Where I live I can walk over to my neighbor across the street. Set up on his porch and shoot over the pond and hit those O's on the Obama signs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lonz 1 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 hahah Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Having land within earshot of a gun range is also a nice thing. Your neighbors dont think twice. Man I do feel for you NY'ers, Where I live I can walk over to my neighbor across the street. Set up on his porch and shoot over the pond and hit those O's on the Obama signs. Lucky sumbitches . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lonz 1 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 I forgot to mention... That said land is fucking wetland so you need to watch your step! haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 I forgot to mention... That said land is fucking wetland so you need to watch your step! haha I'd put up with that, to be able to shoot whenever I wanted . I took my 9mm AR to my parents, and went through 1 magazine. Just to finally shoot it, I couldn't wait anymore. My girlfriend, mom and sister were sitting on the porch, and I said "I'm just gonna shoot a couple rounds". When I was done, my mom gave me this look , because she said she was counting, and she counted 32. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
komblockid 0 Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Makes me glad I live in Texas! Minter 66 was right about cops and civvies getting along.I live out in the sticks and and shoot whenever I want to. Funny thing though, there are two ranges within driving distance from the house and they are usually full. The sticks are slowly being urbanized. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 In NY state... you only have to be FURTHER THAN 500 FEET from a house YOU DO NOT OWN or have PERMISSION TO SHOOT FROM!!!! If there are NO OTHER houses within 500 feet, and you have permission from the landowner... you can shoot all you want!!! I deer hunt right off my back porch! because I CAN!!! I have a 75 and 200 yard shooting range right off my back porch... BECAUSE I CAN! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 I have a 75 and 200 yard shooting range right off my back porch... BECAUSE I CAN! That's the American dream right there! NY Saiga shoot at Indy's place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Maybe this spring... When I get the barbecue all set... I will supply the range... but the party will be a BYOB!!!! ( Bring your own BULLETS!!) ROFL!!! That sounds like a kickass good time, 22 Shooter... We can have a NY Saiga/shooting party! Might just be the ticket!!! :up: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lonz 1 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Another reason to stock up on some ammo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 That sounds like a kickass good time, 22 Shooter... Hell yeah it does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BKLYN_C 14 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I deer hunt right off my back porch! because I CAN!!! I know jealousy is a bad thing, but I cant help myself Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nycGUNguy 61 Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Maybe this spring... When I get the barbecue all set... I will supply the range... but the party will be a BYOB!!!! ( Bring your own BULLETS!!) ROFL!!! That sounds like a kickass good time, 22 Shooter... We can have a NY Saiga/shooting party! Might just be the ticket!!! :up: Indy, This sounds like a great idea. I'll bring the sandwiches... nyclu3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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