jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDFhM...DYyNWRhNTQyM2M= http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/30/a-deb...obama/#comments Quote Link to post Share on other sites
termite 463 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 And I bet that we won't get any K-Y or even be kissed afterwards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ballistician 1 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 He has to be careful though. Overly dominant and it could bite him. It's like 1984 in reverse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Im guessing the dropkick murphys? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Who is this "we" you speak of? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Who is this "we" you speak of? Freedom-loving gun owners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Hopefully, Sarah will show that never give in spirit she is famous for! Biden won't be able to counter without looking like he's picking on a girl! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 I am speaking of the biased moderator who is not a moderator at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Anybody else read that article where Joe Biden's daughter allegedly threatened that policeman and obstructed justice in that Chicago bottle throwing incident? How come that was strangely kept silent by the liberal media? Shit, we'd surely have heard it 1,500 times already if it would have been Bristol Palin getting smart with the Police officer. Freakin' double standards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Who is this "we" you speak of? Freedom-loving gun owners. As a freedom lover I dislike them both about equally, as a gun owner I prefer McCain by a large margin. However, I'm not voting for either of them. Yep, I'm going to "waste my vote" and vote 3rd party. The fact that both of them voted for the bailout helped solidify my position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrmy_1 0 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Who is this "we" you speak of? Freedom-loving gun owners. As a freedom lover I dislike them both about equally, as a gun owner I prefer McCain by a large margin. However, I'm not voting for either of them. Yep, I'm going to "waste my vote" and vote 3rd party. The fact that both of them voted for the bailout helped solidify my position. Wasted vote is silly. You must vote for the least evil.....or the evil you think will do the least damage according to your beliefs. I would like to vote for a hard working american that has at some point been a blue collar worker for a length of time and knows what being an american means. Unfortunately that's not in the cards..... If Obama wins, you now have a Presiden that 1. voted for the bailout and 2. is anti-gun (and anti-american as far as I'm concerned). Not a good thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) Wasted vote is silly. You must vote for the least evil.....or the evil you think will do the least damage according to your beliefs. I would like to vote for a hard working american that has at some point been a blue collar worker for a length of time and knows what being an american means. Unfortunately that's not in the cards..... If Obama wins, you now have a Presiden that 1. voted for the bailout and 2. is anti-gun (and anti-american as far as I'm concerned). Not a good thing. I was being sarcastic with the whole "wasted vote" thing. The "wasted vote" idea is silly. I'm not aiming to vote for someone who will win, I'm voting for the candidate that I agree with the most. McCain is another Bush and I can't vote for 8 more years of the same. Obama was voted the most liberal senator in '07 so I can't vote for him. Neo-con or liberal, giant douche or turd sandwich. Neither for me, thanks. If Obama wins, it is NOT my fault, the people who should be blamed are those who voted for him and maybe the members of the GOP that forgot their roots. Long gone are the days of balanced budgets and fiscal conservatism, these days it's socialism or corporate welfare. We can not continue to vote for the same two parties and expect any real change in Washington, no matter what the candidates tell you. The lesser of two evils is evil. I MUST vote for the least evil of the two? Oh, I beg to differ. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Edited October 3, 2008 by bigj480 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted October 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 I'll be voting for McCain/Palin but I truly believe that this is the last two party election that we will see. Hold your nose and vote, third party will come in four years IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 I'll be voting for McCain/Palin but I truly believe that this is the last two party election that we will see. Hold your nose and vote, third party will come in four years IMO. We can only hope, it would change politics in Amerisca as we know it and that would be a great thing. Unfortunately, I'm not as optimistic as you are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koliadko 207 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Wasted vote is silly. You must vote for the least evil.....or the evil you think will do the least damage according to your beliefs. I would like to vote for a hard working american that has at some point been a blue collar worker for a length of time and knows what being an american means. Unfortunately that's not in the cards..... If Obama wins, you now have a Presiden that 1. voted for the bailout and 2. is anti-gun (and anti-american as far as I'm concerned). Not a good thing. I was being sarcastic with the whole "wasted vote" thing. The "wasted vote" idea is silly. I'm not aiming to vote for someone who will win, I'm voting for the candidate that I agree with the most. McCain is another Bush and I can't vote for 8 more years of the same. Obama was voted the most liberal senator in '07 so I can't vote for him. Neo-con or liberal, giant douche or turd sandwich. Neither for me, thanks. If Obama wins, it is NOT my fault, the people who should be blamed are those who voted for him and maybe the members of the GOP that forgot their roots. Long gone are the days of balanced budgets and fiscal conservatism, these days it's socialism or corporate welfare. We can not continue to vote for the same two parties and expect any real change in Washington, no matter what the candidates tell you. The lesser of two evils is evil. I MUST vote for the least evil of the two? Oh, I beg to differ. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. What screwed us all is the way primaries are set up. Where I live (Raleigh, NC) I had no say so in who was the prez candidate. McCain had won the primary loooong before I had a chance to vote. But anyone who doesn't vote for McCain is voting for NObama. And I don't want him picking the next Supreme Court justices. The prez, in and of himself, can't take our guns away. But another case under some other issue could come up and affect what ammo we could buy or anything like that that a non gun person could think of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) What screwed us all is the way primaries are set up. Where I live (Raleigh, NC) I had no say so in who was the prez candidate. McCain had won the primary loooong before I had a chance to vote. But anyone who doesn't vote for McCain is voting for NObama. And I don't want him picking the next Supreme Court justices. The prez, in and of himself, can't take our guns away. But another case under some other issue could come up and affect what ammo we could buy or anything like that that a non gun person could think of. What hurts us is the power that the parties and the media have, the effectivly decide for use even though we have the illusion of choice. How Americans have gotten to the point that they not only put up with the "lesser of two evils" but fall for the partisan propaganda hook, line and sinker is beyond me. It's so bad that they have given up on having a real choice and have resorted to using scare tactics against those who would choose to be independent and try to stop the cycle. That's exactly what this system is, every election cycle one is told to vote for the lesser of two evils one more time because THIS GUY is a real threat. I'll be honest with you, I've done that exactly once and I'll never do it again. I really didn't know much about the issues and I voted for Kerry to keep Bush out! I would never vote for Bush or those like him but I will never vote for someone like Kerry again either. Hence, my current position. You can say my vote is for Obama all you want, but it doesn't make it true. However, a vote for either party IS a vote for more of the same. "To help keep your family safe and your country free, go buy a gun."--Chuck Baldwin Edited October 3, 2008 by bigj480 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Koliadko 207 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 You can say my vote is for Obama all you want, but it doesn't make it true. However, a vote for either party IS a vote for more of the same. We'll see how true. I always do around my BD. On the 5th, I'll either be somewhat relieved or depressed. Do you understand that? You lean left and vote for a 3rd party it's a vote for McCain. Those that love their guns and vote for 3rd party is a vote for NObama. Ya ain't gotta like it. But that's just the way it is. Like I've said many times. We need to change this at the primary and the local level. Past that, you're just pissing in the wind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 You can say my vote is for Obama all you want, but it doesn't make it true. However, a vote for either party IS a vote for more of the same. We'll see how true. I always do around my BD. On the 5th, I'll either be somewhat relieved or depressed. Do you understand that? You lean left and vote for a 3rd party it's a vote for McCain. Those that love their guns and vote for 3rd party is a vote for NObama. Ya ain't gotta like it. But that's just the way it is. Like I've said many times. We need to change this at the primary and the local level. Past that, you're just pissing in the wind. I disagree, for that to be the case my vote would have had to have belonged to McCain in the first place. I'm not taking a vote away from McCain, he never had it because he hasn't earned it! I know what you are saying, though. You probably think that you are voting practically wile "we" are voting idealistically. I think that I am voting both practically and idealistically. The ONLY way to change the type of candidates and ideas that are being promoted are to not vote for them, that's practical. Are some people that would vote for McCain being pulled away to third party candidates? NO! Anyone that is voting for a third party candidate is doing so for a reason, not out of spite, ignorance or indifference. I don't lean right or left, I believe in the constitution, personal freedom and morals, any attempt to further categorize me are done so to further an agenda. Labels are great to exclude people are make people feel like part of the team, unfortunately they are broadly applied. Hell, I've been called a liberal moron because I disagreed with the war in Iraq. Both parties stand for nothing but the pursuit of more power and both sides get it while being cheered on by their puppets that have been sold on the idea of "lesser of two evils". It this is still the case 25 years form now will we still be complacent with the two party system? I'm getting out while I can and I feel that I am ahead of the curve. Primaries are not the problem. Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. -John Quincy Adams Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Vote for whoever you want, but make an INFORMED decision, based on ALL the facts, and look at what will happen when the Supreme Court gets new Justices.....Who do you want picking them? I'm not real crazy about McCain either as many of you already know, but with Sarah on the ticket, she's got my vote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) Vote for whoever you want, but make an INFORMED decision, based on ALL the facts, and look at what will happen when the Supreme Court gets new Justices.....Who do you want picking them? I'm not real crazy about McCain either as many of you already know, but with Sarah on the ticket, she's got my vote. I am making an informed decision, thanks. I really don't want either of the two picking supreme court justices but I would rather McCain do it than Obama. This is not enough to get me to vote for him though, he would have had to of changed his stripes and voted against the bailout for that to have happened. I like Sarah's positions more than McCain's but I wouldn't want her as VP. lets hope that the supreme court justices that we currently have make it until we have an actual decent president in office. That won't happen until 8 years from now unless the next president does a worse job than Bush, if that's possible. One term with either of them is bad enough but we are almost guaranteed a second run for whoever wins this election. The lesser of two evils? More like the evil of two lessers, this is what America has been cursed with for far too long. I'm almost convinced that we need to start with a clean slate and that a complete failure of the current system is a prerequisite for the change that we desperately need, lets hope not. Edited October 3, 2008 by bigj480 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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