zakmatthews 14 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) I purchased a SBR parts kit and compatible receiver from a guy, and had it transferred from his FFL to my local FFL. The bad thing is they were mailed in the same box. This looks suspicious, like I may have "intent to build" an unregistered NFA weapon. Of course, I planned to do this only after paying $200 and filing appropriate paperwork. So my local FFL called the ATF to see what to do about it. They're waiting for their phone call to be returned. I'm a bit nervous. Since it's legal to own an SBR parts kit, and since it's legal to own a receiver, can it be illegal to own both at the same time, without posessing the proper NFA paperwork? If anyone has a internet link or advice with some official documentation/legalities regarding this I would appreciate it. I don't want to get myself or either of the transferring FFL holders screwed. Edit: I spoke w/ the ATF and got everything cleared up. Read below if you're interested. Edited January 14, 2009 by zakmatthews Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) You are worrying needlessly. The parts kit is legally "junk" until it's riveted to a receiver with a barrel installed. Evan at that point, if no buttstock has been attached, you could still call it a "pistol". If the laws were based on "what someone could do" versus what one actually does, nobody'd ever do anything. Got a car? Throw him in jail, he could speed or run over somone. Got a penis? Throw him in jail, he could rape someone with it. Edited January 14, 2009 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Just in case, let us know what kind of cake you like. And remember to get the hacksaw blade out of the cake before you eat it! Seriously, I recall it being as Naolith said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zakmatthews 14 Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) It's an AMD-65. It's got a vertical foward grip = AOW if built into a pistol. Good to know that the kit is considered "junk" though. Thanks. Nalioth: I like your analogies. I'll be happy to share them with the ATF and a Jury to help my case. Will: Chocolate will do just fine. Edited January 14, 2009 by zakmatthews Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twinsen 86 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) If you can register it as a pistol in your state. I know I can't. ETA: nevermind, it'd AOW. Edited January 14, 2009 by Twinsen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I am sure the more knowledgeable folks are correct. That said I still think about the "constructive possesion" argument used to get folks who have items the BATFE doesn't want them to have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) It's an AMD-65. It's got a vertical foward grip = AOW if built into a pistol. The forward grip does not have to be installed. That said I still think about the "constructive possesion" argument used to get folks who have items the BATFE doesn't want them to have. That would put everyone with a Krink or AMD65 kit and an NDS-3 receiver afoul of the law. "Constructive intent" is quite different with a box of unassembled AK parts versus having an AR15 with a legal length upper and an extra shorty upper upon which you were "just waiting on the pistol receiver". Edited January 14, 2009 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
read_the_wall 614 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) You may want to check state laws also, just in case. Washington state has some stupid ones. (example: you can own a suppressor, but you can't use it.) It probably won't effect you issue. http://www.elite-tactical.com/aow.html Edited January 14, 2009 by read_the_wall Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zakmatthews 14 Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) Big props to the ATF! I spoke with both the NFA Branch and the Firearms Technology Branch on the telephone and we got everything cleared up in no time. They were very helpful, and even called my local FFL to explain the situation to them. Basically, you guys were correct. Possessing an SBR parts kit and a compatible receiver at the same time is completely legal. There is no issue with it at all. Just take all the necessary legal steps before constructing it. The only time it is illegal is if the NFA parts kit contains all the necessary parts to construct a machine gun, and if the receiver is ready to accept all the full-auto parts w/o modification. I love this forum. Edited January 14, 2009 by zakmatthews Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Big props to the ATF! Umm....FUCK no! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunboy69 50 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Yeah....the ATF, although sometimes helpful......is not your friend. Those helpful folks can turn ugly fast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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