sawx75 2 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hi, all of the writeups and topics on converting require moving the trigger forward to accommodate the pistol grip. Since I live in The People's Republic of Massachusetts, I can not have the evil pistol grip. I have chosen to do the skeleton stock and leave my gun in it's legal, neutered state. It seems that if you are going to do the conversion, you can not do it part way, you have to do the full job in order to be compliant. I am probably mistaken on this, but can I do the tapco trigger job without changing the stock and all the other fun stuff? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Read THIS post and it will give you a better idea of how the trigger group is ste up in the stock configuration. You could move the FCG forward and use a stock like this: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sawx75 2 Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Thanks for the quick reply. Great writeup btw, I saved it for future possible conversion. Read THIS post and it will give you a better idea of how the trigger group is ste up in the stock configuration. You could move the FCG forward and use a stock like this: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fxhart 14 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) Read THIS post and it will give you a better idea of how the trigger group is ste up in the stock configuration. You could move the FCG forward and use a stock like this: I'm pretty sure he can't. I lived in CT and we had similar laws. You can't have a pistol grip on a semi-automatic shotgun with removable mags. If it was a tube fed with under 5 rounds a pistol grip would be OK, but the magazines are the deal breaker. I would double check and be 100% sure. ETA: A skeleton stock is considered a pistol grip for 'assault weapon' purposes but apparently not for import purposes. Our laws are silly. Edited June 7, 2009 by Tacticool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gothmog 24 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Would a Komiefornia locking mag work in Mass? I don't know just putting something out there that might help. But, if they say "no detachable mags" , is this not the same crap Kommiefornia have? I hope that you can build it the way you want. HUZZAH!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VWBeamer 1 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 The obvious solution is to move to a free State. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fxhart 14 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Would a Komiefornia locking mag work in Mass? I don't know just putting something out there that might help. But, if they say "no detachable mags" , is this not the same crap Kommiefornia have? I hope that you can build it the way you want. HUZZAH!! Yeah but that would suck. CT didn't have a mag capacity restriction so at least I was able to get 10/12 rounds. I just finished restoring mine a couple days ago and other than one issue (safety not working), it sure feels and handles much better with the pistol grip. Personally I would leave it as is and see if 10 round mags are OK (with correct parts for 922r of course). The obvious solution is to move to a free State. The obvious but not the easiest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vintagedude88 16 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Here's another Kommiefornia solution to your pistol grip problem. http://www.monstermangrip.com/Home_Page.php With that you can keep the detachable mag and have it converted too. However, in Kommiefornia, it must be a "featureless" build. Not sure what the laws are there regarding "features". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Here's another Kommiefornia solution to your pistol grip problem. http://www.monstermangrip.com/Home_Page.php With that you can keep the detachable mag and have it converted too. However, in Kommiefornia, it must be a "featureless" build. Not sure what the laws are there regarding "features". Those look ergonomic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jvdsteeg 0 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Read THIS post and it will give you a better idea of how the trigger group is ste up in the stock configuration. You could move the FCG forward and use a stock like this: Moe, Do you know where I could get a stock like that or who makes it/what type of stock that is? I would like to get one if I could as I live in NY and part of the AWB does not allow "conspicuous pistol grips". Thanks for any help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 One of our Forum supports carries that specific model. Peach state guns. Personally, I like the stock that I have seen 22 Shooter and Nailbomb using: It is NOT a US made part, so keep that in mind when counting compliance parts. You can find it HERE toward the bottom of the page. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDarkHorse 216 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) What about THIS? You can change the hammer and disconnector with a U.S. made ones, but then you must replace two more counted items to be in 922r compliant. You obviously could not use the trigger in the U.S. FCG. I'm assuming that you want to do this in order to legally use High-cap mags? Edited June 10, 2009 by TheDarkHorse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sawx75 2 Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Funny, that was the exact thread that made me decide to swap out the stock. I bought it from one of the members here. I am not trying to swap out parts to do a larger mag conversion, I just could not stand the Monte stock. The law here in MA does not allow for a pistol grip, which is why I decided to go with the skeleton setup. Only problem is that every conversion I looked at had you moving the trigger group forward. This is not possible with the setup I was hoping to run. So, I guess my original question still stands, has anyone done a conversion without moving the trigger group? What about THIS? You can change the hammer and disconnector with a U.S. made ones, but then you must replace two more counted items to be in 922r compliant. You obviously could not use the trigger in the U.S. FCG. I'm assuming that you want to do this in order to legally use High-cap mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 A HUGE +1 for what Moe said.......that Bulgarian thumbhole is an AWESOME stock. At $20, you can't beat the price either. ETA: A skeleton stock is considered a pistol grip for 'assault weapon' purposes but apparently not for import purposes. Our laws are silly. Got any actual evidence of this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 22 Shooter, how long did it take you to get your delivery from there? The reason I ask is that I am going to be heading up to WNY this summer to my parent's house and I want to bring my S12's. That stock is the best looking option I have seen for a NY legal stock. I know I can only bring 10round stick mags as well, correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
22_Shooter 1,560 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 22 Shooter, how long did it take you to get your delivery from there? I can't remember exactly how long, but I would guess a week. Maybe week and a half. I just remember it taking a little longer than most online purchases. But from what I hear, Tick Bite is a one-man operation, so I understand. Also just to give you a heads up if you order it from Tick Bite, I didn't receive any kind of shipping notice or anything (although I did get an order confirmation, obviously). It just showed up. The reason I ask is that I am going to be heading up to WNY this summer to my parent's house and I want to bring my S12's. That stock is the best looking option I have seen for a NY legal stock. I know I can only bring 10round stick mags as well, correct? Yes'sir. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lipadj46 2 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 A HUGE +1 for what Moe said.......that Bulgarian thumbhole is an AWESOME stock. At $20, you can't beat the price either. ETA: A skeleton stock is considered a pistol grip for 'assault weapon' purposes but apparently not for import purposes. Our laws are silly. Got any actual evidence of this? I have the same stock for my NY legal build. As I recall from the federal ban that there was a decision that dragonuv stocks were considered pistol grips. I have not actually read the decision but there is no language in the NY AWB law that bans a skeleton stock or any thumbhole. I have no idea about the CT law maybe they specifically ban skeleton stocks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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