Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Good news! See link below. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ WS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 It was fake from the get-go. One western media outlet only has to mistranslate and BOOM everyone else is following their lead. This is not the first time the western media has sounded Izhmash's death knoll, only to find that Izhmash is chugging along just fine. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Good news! See link below. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ WS That IS good news. So I can continue to hold out hope for a 7.62x54r Saiga... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehopping1 105 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Good news! See link below. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ WS That IS good news. So I can continue to hold out hope for a 7.62x54r Saiga... We can only hope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunnut9 0 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 It was not a rumor, Izhmash themselves posted info about it on their Russian language website: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/30/update-on-the-izhmash-bankruptcy/ It seems another company was petitioning the court to make them go into bankruptcy because they did not think Izhmash could meet their debts. So not quite what the media was originally reporting - but they did have to defend themselves in court. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 the source I posted from was from Pravda's english site..... Not always accurate... but I would not call them western.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bearhead 2 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 YAY!!! That means my dreams to get my FFL so I can sell these fine American rifles and shotguns was NOT dashed into pieces!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 the source I posted from was from Pravda's english site..... Not always accurate... but I would not call them western.... Pravda = propaganda Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bearhead 2 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 the source I posted from was from Pravda's english site..... Not always accurate... but I would not call them western.... Pravda = propaganda it's kinda funny and sad because the word pravda means truth... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 the source I posted from was from Pravda's english site..... Not always accurate... but I would not call them western.... Pravda + propaganda = Non Western... Fixed it for ya.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nalioth 405 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) The point is: Quite a few reporters in the news industry don't do any news work any more. They get their "news" from blogs and other sources that are not verifiable and don't do a lick of their own research to see if the news is actually news before they run with it. ONE western agency saw this pravda.ru story and ran with it, so other western agencies jumped on the bandwagon along with them. None of them verified it. For you young folks, pravda was the USSR's communist propaganda outlet. "Truth" = "the truth the motherland wants you to know" As far as "blogs as news", quite a few news agencies have been caught doing this. Edited October 8, 2009 by nalioth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AK-308 2 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 The point is: Quite a few reporters in the news industry don't do any news work any more. They get their "news" from blogs and other sources that are not verifiable and don't do a lick of their own research to see if the news is actually news before they run with it. ONE western agency saw this pravda.ru story and ran with it, so other western agencies jumped on the bandwagon along with them. None of them verified it. For you young folks, pravda was the USSR's communist propaganda outlet. "Truth" = "the truth the motherland wants you to know" As far as "blogs as news", quite a few news agencies have been caught doing this. And what is it that we're doing here? Running with this story, which is a blog entry, which cites an computerized translation of another blog entry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted October 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 The point is: Quite a few reporters in the news industry don't do any news work any more. They get their "news" from blogs and other sources that are not verifiable and don't do a lick of their own research to see if the news is actually news before they run with it. ONE western agency saw this pravda.ru story and ran with it, so other western agencies jumped on the bandwagon along with them. None of them verified it. For you young folks, pravda was the USSR's communist propaganda outlet. "Truth" = "the truth the motherland wants you to know" As far as "blogs as news", quite a few news agencies have been caught doing this. And what is it that we're doing here? Running with this story, which is a blog entry, which cites an computerized translation of another blog entry. Perhaps you can use your excellent Russian language skills, and journalistic expertise to get to the bottom of this for everyone..... "Contempt prior to investigation is the hallmark of a fool" - Anonymous WS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 yeh well, let me explain it in simple terms - someone wanted thier investment to turn over faster than it has, and when it didnt they filed to FORCE it back, and the Russian government took the paper and told them to shove it up thier asses. Russian politics is always amusing. And I wouldnt count on a x54R Saiga in the states just yet, especially with sales how they have been lately. the 5.45's have been moving much slower than expected, and Im sure the 54R would move even slower right now, with the price tag its sure to include. What does Will constantly tell me? either spill it or shut up? well, Ill shut up now LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 And I wouldnt count on a x54R Saiga in the states just yet, especially with sales how they have been lately. the 5.45's have been moving much slower than expected, and Im sure the 54R would move even slower right now, with the price tag its sure to include. Well, I've been doing my part to move those sales. :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AK-308 2 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 The point is: Quite a few reporters in the news industry don't do any news work any more. They get their "news" from blogs and other sources that are not verifiable and don't do a lick of their own research to see if the news is actually news before they run with it. ONE western agency saw this pravda.ru story and ran with it, so other western agencies jumped on the bandwagon along with them. None of them verified it. For you young folks, pravda was the USSR's communist propaganda outlet. "Truth" = "the truth the motherland wants you to know" As far as "blogs as news", quite a few news agencies have been caught doing this. And what is it that we're doing here? Running with this story, which is a blog entry, which cites an computerized translation of another blog entry. Perhaps you can use your excellent Russian language skills, and journalistic expertise to get to the bottom of this for everyone..... "Contempt prior to investigation is the hallmark of a fool" - Anonymous WS Don't get all offended. The criticism isn't about not knowing, it's about jumping on unsubstantiated claims. Especially ironic when people here are criticizing others for doing just that. I agree with your quote Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HillBilly2 9 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 A link from a German site with a little better explanation of the issue. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,652043,00.html $265,000 in debts and they tried to force bankrupcy on a company of probably a billion in annual sales. Sounds like Russian Mafia ran amok. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bvamp 604 Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 guys, you have to remember that they do not do things the same way that we do here. when a creditor complains here, theres a huge amount of paperwork, court hearings, etc.... in Russia, when it comes to a state industry such as this, it goes all the way to the top, and the government sets it straight. noone is going to get the full details. The Russian small arms industry is still a state "secret". Think of it in our terms as a "trade secret". how do you all know it wasnt us stupid Amerikans that blew our economy out the bottom that didnt cause this minor situation? I just hope that that isnt the case, as I still want to see one of these guns behind every American gun owner's front door......we are talking about a firearm that our children can shoot, maintain, fix, and have last them a lifetime..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
diamondback 56 Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 (edited) Actually, I can tell you what killed the Russian economy, same as ours, in two easy words: George Soros. Basically, he manipulated the ruble on the global currency markets until it collapsed, possibly as a trial-run for doing the same to help get his chosen puppet into the Oval Office here. Hey, stranger things have happened... quite frequently. (Like said puppet appointing a NAMBLA-symp perv as Orwellian-titled "Safe Schools Czar", for one...) Edited October 12, 2009 by Diamondback 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted October 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 The point is: Quite a few reporters in the news industry don't do any news work any more. They get their "news" from blogs and other sources that are not verifiable and don't do a lick of their own research to see if the news is actually news before they run with it. ONE western agency saw this pravda.ru story and ran with it, so other western agencies jumped on the bandwagon along with them. None of them verified it. For you young folks, pravda was the USSR's communist propaganda outlet. "Truth" = "the truth the motherland wants you to know" As far as "blogs as news", quite a few news agencies have been caught doing this. And what is it that we're doing here? Running with this story, which is a blog entry, which cites an computerized translation of another blog entry. Perhaps you can use your excellent Russian language skills, and journalistic expertise to get to the bottom of this for everyone..... "Contempt prior to investigation is the hallmark of a fool" - Anonymous WS Don't get all offended. The criticism isn't about not knowing, it's about jumping on unsubstantiated claims. Especially ironic when people here are criticizing others for doing just that. I agree with your quote I wasnt at all offended. Just stating the obvious. Anyway, I think its clear that Izhmash is not bankrupt, or even close to bankrupt. The company literally mints the equivalent of hard currency. I can think of many situations where an Izhmash AK/Anything is worth many times its weight in solid gold. WS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
al209 0 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 that is great news. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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