gregomega 929 Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 (edited) Since I cant delete this post and people are viewing it I thought Id at least put some info in it. Heres my S12 converted. I had help from the following sections: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=55377 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=40886 http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-template/Videos-and-Links/Page Parts Used: carolinashooterssupply.com Items 1 INTERNAL RECEIVER BLOCK-STOCK ADAPTER-TAPPED SIDE HOLES= $42.95 1 STOCK FOLDING MECHANISM SAIGA-AK47-AR STYLE= $74.95 1 TRIGGER GROUP-TROMIX SAIGA FIRE CONTROL GROUP= $45.00 I used the Russian hammer though. 1 GRIP AK/SAIGA SAW STYLE PISTOL-BLACK= $16.49 1 TRIGGER GUARD-SAIGA 12 BOLT ON RAM= $35.00 1 CAR BUFFER TUBE 6 POSITION= $19.95 1 CAR BUFFER TUBE LOCK RING CASTLE NUT= $7.95 didnt fit for crap. 1 mako grip with light/bipod fromopticsplanet.com= $216.00 FROM Mississippi Auto Arms 1 xSaiga 12 Gauge 20 Round Drum - Promag $99.99 1 xE-Tac Saiga TwisterPuc (Standard) Gas Piston $21.95 1 xM4 Rubber Recoil Pad - TAPCO $9.99 1 xSaiga Tactical Saiga 12 Quad Rail System - US MADE $114.94 1 xSaiga 12 Thread Protector - Mississippi Auto Arms $34.99 Grand Total=$740.15 The first two photos are after conversion, the last is before. Edited July 5, 2010 by AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dvdamurdoc 4 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Since I cant delete this post and people are viewing it I thought Id at least put some info in it. Heres my S12 converted. I had help from the following sections: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=55377 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=40886 http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-template/Videos-and-Links/Page Parts Used: carolinashooterssupply.com Items 1 INTERNAL RECEIVER BLOCK-STOCK ADAPTER-TAPPED SIDE HOLES= $42.95 1 STOCK FOLDING MECHANISM SAIGA-AK47-AR STYLE= $74.95 1 TRIGGER GROUP-TROMIX SAIGA FIRE CONTROL GROUP= $45.00 I used the Russian hammer though. 1 GRIP AK/SAIGA SAW STYLE PISTOL-BLACK= $16.49 1 TRIGGER GUARD-SAIGA 12 BOLT ON RAM= $35.00 1 CAR BUFFER TUBE 6 POSITION= $19.95 1 CAR BUFFER TUBE LOCK RING CASTLE NUT= $7.95 didnt fit for crap. 1 mako grip with light/bipod fromopticsplanet.com= $216.00 FROM Mississippi Auto Arms 1 xSaiga 12 Gauge 20 Round Drum - Promag $99.99 1 xE-Tac Saiga TwisterPuc (Standard) Gas Piston $21.95 1 xM4 Rubber Recoil Pad - TAPCO $9.99 1 xSaiga Tactical Saiga 12 Quad Rail System - US MADE $114.94 1 xSaiga 12 Thread Protector - Mississippi Auto Arms $34.99 Grand Total=$740.15 The first two photos are after conversion, the last is before. I bought the same "US MADE" quad rail only to find that nowhere on the part or packaging was it labeled as us made. Hope nobody is relying on that for 922 compliance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Since I cant delete this post and people are viewing it I thought Id at least put some info in it. Heres my S12 converted. I had help from the following sections: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=55377 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=40886 http://store.carolinashooterssupply.com/servlet/-strse-template/Videos-and-Links/Page Parts Used: carolinashooterssupply.com Items 1 INTERNAL RECEIVER BLOCK-STOCK ADAPTER-TAPPED SIDE HOLES= $42.95 1 STOCK FOLDING MECHANISM SAIGA-AK47-AR STYLE= $74.95 1 TRIGGER GROUP-TROMIX SAIGA FIRE CONTROL GROUP= $45.00 I used the Russian hammer though. 1 GRIP AK/SAIGA SAW STYLE PISTOL-BLACK= $16.49 1 TRIGGER GUARD-SAIGA 12 BOLT ON RAM= $35.00 1 CAR BUFFER TUBE 6 POSITION= $19.95 1 CAR BUFFER TUBE LOCK RING CASTLE NUT= $7.95 didnt fit for crap. 1 mako grip with light/bipod fromopticsplanet.com= $216.00 FROM Mississippi Auto Arms 1 xSaiga 12 Gauge 20 Round Drum - Promag $99.99 1 xE-Tac Saiga TwisterPuc (Standard) Gas Piston $21.95 1 xM4 Rubber Recoil Pad - TAPCO $9.99 1 xSaiga Tactical Saiga 12 Quad Rail System - US MADE $114.94 1 xSaiga 12 Thread Protector - Mississippi Auto Arms $34.99 Grand Total=$740.15 The first two photos are after conversion, the last is before. I bought the same "US MADE" quad rail only to find that nowhere on the part or packaging was it labeled as us made. Hope nobody is relying on that for 922 compliance. Not really, Im compliant with the 922r. trigger, disconnecter, piston,PG<---this is enough right here] &stock for good measure. If I change out mags, muzzle attachment, and include the forearm, im down to 5 foreign parts. So im good, but thanks though. http://jobson.us/922r/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Azrial 1,091 Posted July 17, 2010 Report Share Posted July 17, 2010 Interesting. I am not much for the practicality of a bi-pod on a shotgun, but you have clearly made it your own. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Terrible Gear quad rail either. But to each their own. Enjoy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 (edited) I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Terrible Gear quad rail either. But to each their own. Enjoy. Funny you would mention rails and Ugly Terrible Gear.... The little portion of rail under this gorgeous handguard is that wierd looking rail extension off of a UTG AK quad. I always hated it and noticed it would be perfect for just mounting a vert grip. Now.... that particular piece is no longer Ugly Terrible Gear, lol. Oh yeah, the cost of the whole build: $562 Saiga 12, shipping, and transfer fees 35 Fake triangle stock 30 Handguard 20 MD Molot grip 7 Tapco grip screw and bushing 35 evlblkwpnz modified Tapco G2 6 10-32 screws (have some left over) 20 ETAC puck 80 Larue LT-FUG vert grip Total $785.00 ETA: I don;t have the 8 round mag anymore, so add one of my MD-20s to the total Total with MD-20 $885 Edited July 18, 2010 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Interesting. I am not much for the practicality of a bi-pod on a shotgun, but you have clearly made it your own. yeah, I thought it was a good idea at the time, for shooting slugs and stuff, but have come to find its not really practical. Ive since removed the top rail and Mako grip/bipod/light and just added a Angled Fore Grip. The Mako is currently not in use. perhaps on my m4 or something. I am trying to have something that doesnt look like anyone elses though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Terrible Gear quad rail either. But to each their own. Enjoy. Thanks, I do enjoy it quite often. I do need a light or two on it to utilize the QD rail so its not just "on there," but im still learning. Newbie gun, lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
billyjoebob 10 Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Out of curiosity, what do you use to sight the gun? Stock sights are buried by the top rail... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RGVBadBoy 9 Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 My conversion cost me: $561 with tax and transfer $45 Tapco G2 $42 Internal M4 stock block $99 Chaos Quadrail $50 Chaos Warthog $10 Chaos barrel nut $125 VLTOR AR collapsable stock $15 AK Folding stock kit for M4 $20 AR buffer tube aluminum $30 UTG foward grip, really like it $32 Ergo grip with adjustable backstrap $45 CSS trigger guard $99 JT Magwell $44 12rd surefire mag $22 tromix DIY charging handle $30 CSS extended ambi mag release $1269.00 without factoring shipping costs its been worth it:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhunt 15 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Terrible Gear quad rail either. But to each their own. Enjoy. Thanks, I do enjoy it quite often. I do need a light or two on it to utilize the QD rail so its not just "on there," but im still learning. Newbie gun, lol. Have you had any trouble cycling cheap low brass? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Out of curiosity, what do you use to sight the gun? Stock sights are buried by the top rail... I've just been using the iron sights. Before I removed the top rail it was alil difficult to aim when sooting clays, but the top rail wasn't being used for anything so I took it off for the time being and the iron sights are fully available and unobstructed. Before removal, I could still use them, just had to look through the top rail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Terrible Gear quad rail either. But to each their own. Enjoy. Thanks, I do enjoy it quite often. I do need a light or two on it to utilize the QD rail so its not just "on there," but im still learning. Newbie gun, lol. Have you had any trouble cycling cheap low brass? I went clay shooting last Tuesday with my bro and he brought the dreaded Winchester bulk pack, I had a few FTEs but just adjusted the gunfixers a slightbit and it worked fine. No FTEs with Fed Bulk Pack. Not one, ever. After all the mods anyway. CGW did warranty gas port enlargement work for me. Although, they said it should cycle fed bulk pack w/out gunfixers gp, but when I got it back it wouldn't, even with the stock forearm on. The guy who worked on it recommend Remmington. It'll shoot all day long with the gunfixers though. I did have to use my own alignment point though instead of the notch they provide, it wasn't lining up with the gas port correctly and was causing FTEs. After that I just did some polishing on the contact areas and it cycles brilliantly Edited July 30, 2010 by AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhunt 15 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Terrible Gear quad rail either. But to each their own. Enjoy. Thanks, I do enjoy it quite often. I do need a light or two on it to utilize the QD rail so its not just "on there," but im still learning. Newbie gun, lol. Have you had any trouble cycling cheap low brass? I went clay shooting last Tuesday with my bro and he brought the dreaded Winchester bulk pack, I had a few FTEs but just adjusted the gunfixers a slightbit and it worked fine. No FTEs with Fed Bulk Pack. Not one, ever. After all the mods anyway. CGW did warranty gas port enlargement work for me. Although, they said it should cycle fed bulk pack w/out gunfixers gp, but when I got it back it wouldn't, even with the stock forearm on. The guy who worked on it recommend Remmington. It'll shoot all day long with the gunfixers though. I did have to use my own alignment point though instead of the notch they provide, it wasn't lining up with the gas port correctly and was causing FTEs. After that I just did some polishing on the contact areas and it cycles brilliantly That's great, just checking. I had the UTG rail for the longest time and I could never cycle low brass even after GF plug, enlarging ports, and polishing the bolt. I was told to take off the rails and it worked better than I've seen in any video, it was wonderful. But basically, the UTG rail mounts by squeezing the gas tube, which is a big nono, I now know. It should be more reliable with a different forearm, but if it doesn't cause any trouble, then by all means keep using it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted August 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 I'm not a big fan of the Ugly Terrible Gear quad rail either. But to each their own. Enjoy. Thanks, I do enjoy it quite often. I do need a light or two on it to utilize the QD rail so its not just "on there," but im still learning. Newbie gun, lol. Have you had any trouble cycling cheap low brass? I went clay shooting last Tuesday with my bro and he brought the dreaded Winchester bulk pack, I had a few FTEs but just adjusted the gunfixers a slightbit and it worked fine. No FTEs with Fed Bulk Pack. Not one, ever. After all the mods anyway. CGW did warranty gas port enlargement work for me. Although, they said it should cycle fed bulk pack w/out gunfixers gp, but when I got it back it wouldn't, even with the stock forearm on. The guy who worked on it recommend Remmington. It'll shoot all day long with the gunfixers though. I did have to use my own alignment point though instead of the notch they provide, it wasn't lining up with the gas port correctly and was causing FTEs. After that I just did some polishing on the contact areas and it cycles brilliantly That's great, just checking. I had the UTG rail for the longest time and I could never cycle low brass even after GF plug, enlarging ports, and polishing the bolt. I was told to take off the rails and it worked better than I've seen in any video, it was wonderful. But basically, the UTG rail mounts by squeezing the gas tube, which is a big nono, I now know. It should be more reliable with a different forearm, but if it doesn't cause any trouble, then by all means keep using it. Thats what ive read alot on here. Thats quite a phenomenon to me. I do have the quadrial mount on there but not the quad rail itself due to lack of iron sight usage. Well if I do start to have trouble with fte again, that'll be the first thing I do is remove the mount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rjrivero 50 Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 (edited) I didn't post up my conversion.....is that a mandatory requirement? From my Local Friendly FFL: Saiga 12 IZ-109 $489 (Including shipping, Tax, FFL fee) Carolina Shooters Supply: 1 M4 STYLE COLLAPSIBLE STOCK ADAPTER TUBE VLTOR @ $80.70 = $80.70 1 TRIGGER GUARD-SAIGA 12 BOLT ON AR15 @ $56.95 = $56.95 1 TRIGGER GROUP-<B>TROMIX SAIGA FIRE CONTROL GROUP</b> @ $42.75 = $42.75 1 MAGAZINE GUIDE "ROCK-N-LOCK" @ $42.70 = $42.70 2 Saiga 12 Gauge Shotgun 12rd Magazine @ $42.70 = $85.40 1 EXTENDED MAGAZINE RELEASE SAIGA 12 @ $28.50 = $28.50 1 ADJUSTABLE CHOKE SAIGA 12 POLY-CHOKE II VENTED @ $85.45 = $85.45 1 TRIGGER GROUP HOLE PLUGS FOR SAIGA CONVERSIONS @ $0.95 = $0.95 Chaos US: 1 Chaos Quad Rail with HK style sights 4th of July Pricing $175.95 1 Chaos US Made Gas Piston $19.95 Sub Total: $1108.30:eek: I really wish I didn't add that up. Thanks for nothing guys. Edited August 9, 2010 by rjrivero Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raidersfan_5544 57 Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 (edited) "Thanks, I do enjoy it quite often. I do need a light or two on it to utilize the QD rail so its not just "on there," but im still learning. Newbie gun, lol." One well made light should do the job. Edited August 10, 2010 by raidersfan_5544 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted August 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 (edited) One thing I noticed on here is that I didn't list the price I paid for my S12. Which from reading everyone elses prices I realize how bad I got bent over. I bought mine from a store front dealer and Paid $830.00. Kick myself in the ass quite abit for not doing research first. It was the second gun I had bought from them. I also bought an m4 which sells for $950 online and I paid $1450.00. So if anybody is looking to buy an S12 or m4 or any other gun and are fortunate enough to read this, know that you can get a way better deal online transferring it through a FFL dealer. my two 762s I had transferred for $35 each. My S12- $830 store front dealer evlblkwpnz's $562 shipping, and transfer fees RGVbadboy's $561 with tax and transfer rjrivero's $489 (Including shipping, Tax, FFL fee) Edited August 10, 2010 by AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rezarxt 0 Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Get discounted prices. Saiga 12- $435 after transfer fee Folding ACE stock from DPH- $95 UTG QUAD Rail system- $85 Tapco G2 Trigger Group- $17 Phoenix Door Breacher- $40 Tapco Pistol Grip- $12 Tapco Forward Pistol Grip- $7 3 AGP 10 Round mags - $28 each Cutting down barrel to 18" length, sandblasting/blueing shotgun, installing everything- $200 I think my total is somewhere about 950. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rhinoman48 0 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Get discounted prices. Saiga 12- $435 after transfer fee Folding ACE stock from DPH- $95 UTG QUAD Rail system- $85 Tapco G2 Trigger Group- $17 Phoenix Door Breacher- $40 Tapco Pistol Grip- $12 Tapco Forward Pistol Grip- $7 3 AGP 10 Round mags - $28 each Cutting down barrel to 18" length, sandblasting/blueing shotgun, installing everything- $200 I think my total is somewhere about 950. who did your conversion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
magsite20 1,664 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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