Wonderful article about why liberals should like the Second Amendment.

[Kliegl 304]

[Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393]

And don't worry, there's quite a few of us pro-gun liberals out there

[L5K 162]

Actually it's a pretty liberal thing for a government to allow citizens to possess weapons.

[Kliegl 304]

Actually it's a pretty liberal thing for a government to allow citizens to possess weapons.

 

You get it.

[PVT Pablo 25]

Great Article

[Vicarious_Lee 84]

Actually it's a pretty liberal thing for a government to allow citizens to possess weapons.

 

Not in the sense of what that word has come to mean and represent in modern America. Semantically, I agree with you.

 

 

But only semantically.

[SOPMOD 254]

A lot of the younger liberals are starting to get it. You see plenty of dreadlocked kids with liberal themed shirts at the gunshows these days. My favorite was a couple of years ago seeing a very thin(probably vegan) girl in a tanktop and gypsy skirt with an RPK skewed over her shoulder with the muzzle and bipod towering above her head. I wished like hell I'd had my cameraphone with me that day...

[ktcm7271 999]

SOPMOD makes a great point. I've been going to gun shows for around 15 years. Up until 3-5 years ago, it was mostly older, overweight, flannel shirt and orange hat wearing, white folks, and the parking lot was full of Ford F150's. Now I'm seeing a complete grab bag from nearly every walk of life. That's good progress.

[Patria Povo 31]

www.a2dems.net

 

http://armedtexasdemocrats.blogspot.com/

 

http://www.gunlovingliberal.com/

 

http://bluesteeldemocrats.blogspot.com/

 

http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/

 

http://www.blackgunowners.org/

[DogMan 2,343]

I've often wished I could go back 200+ years when the founding fathers were writing the bill of rights and say "Hey guys, I know this might be hard to believe but you are really going to have to spell this out for the numbskulls who are still not going to "get it" and will try to twist your words 200 years from now.

[Vicarious_Lee 84]

I've often wished I could go back 200+ years when the founding fathers were writing the bill of rights and say "Hey guys, I know this might be hard to believe but you are really going to have to spell this out for the numbskulls who are still not going to "get it" and will try to twist your words 200 years from now.

 

And TERM LIMITS!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE TERM LIMITS ON EVERYONE!!!!

 

Yeah, Gun shows look more like a mall in my neck of the woods, and this is a Good Thing. The Second Amendment may become a way to show Liberals (The word, classically, is very close to Libertarian) that the people they are voting for that call themselves "Liberals" are very, very, very much indeed something else. Something much worse.

[Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393]

a very thin(probably vegan) girl in a tanktop and gypsy skirt with an RPK skewed over her shoulder with the muzzle and bipod towering above her head.

 

Was she single?

[Kliegl 304]

My friend in Israel says there is nothing hotter than a gorgeous Israeli girl

dressed in her army skirt and accessorizing with an M-16.

[Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393]

My friend in Israel says there is nothing hotter than a gorgeous Israeli girl

dressed in her army skirt and accessorizing with an M-16.

 

Eh, to me there's a big disconnect between those who carry a gun for themselves, or for the state.

[bigsal 757]

This should be moved to the politics section.

[Vicarious_Lee 84]

This should be moved to the politics section.

 

How do I access that, BTW?

[bigsal 757]

This should be moved to the politics section.

 

How do I access that, BTW?

 

You need to do two things to access the politics section:

1.type in the code "iwantin" when prompted.

2.hold your nose, because there is a lot of shit down there.

[bwade 38]

SOPMOD makes a great point. I've been going to gun shows for around 15 years. Up until 3-5 years ago, it was mostly older, overweight, flannel shirt and orange hat wearing, white folks, and the parking lot was full of Ford F150's. Now I'm seeing a complete grab bag from nearly every walk of life. That's good progress.

 

Unfortunately it seems like a good deal of folks on the right really hate the fact that people from different political backgrounds are becoming more involved in the gun culture.

[Kliegl 304]

This should be moved to the politics section.

 

No, it shouldn't. This is an article that provides good talking points about how

to defeat arguments about the 2nd Amendment, and everyone should read it.

 

That's why I put it in General in the first place.

 

I trust that we can continue to have the civil, not particularly politically biased,

conversation that we are having here.

[Patria Povo 31]

My friend in Israel says there is nothing hotter than a gorgeous Israeli girl

dressed in her army skirt and accessorizing with an M-16.

 

Eh, to me there's a big disconnect between those who carry a gun for themselves, or for the state.

 

State, kibbutz, community ...

 

 

 

 

[Klassy Kalashnikov 1,393]

Wow, looks like some serious chicken-wing going on in photo #3

[bigsal 757]

This should be moved to the politics section.

 

No, it shouldn't. This is an article that provides good talking points about how

to defeat arguments about the 2nd Amendment, and everyone should read it.

 

That's why I put it in General in the first place.

 

I trust that we can continue to have the civil, not particularly politically biased,

conversation that we are having here.

The thread is inherently political. It does not belong in this section. Nuff said.

[BuffetDestroyer 969]

Liberal and Conservative are pretty broad words used to categorize a wide range of beliefs.

 

I don't think that if you gave a strict definition of each that many people would fall into either side.

[Kliegl 304]

This should be moved to the politics section.

 

No, it shouldn't. This is an article that provides good talking points about how

to defeat arguments about the 2nd Amendment, and everyone should read it.

 

That's why I put it in General in the first place.

 

I trust that we can continue to have the civil, not particularly politically biased,

conversation that we are having here.

The thread is inherently political. It does not belong in this section. Nuff said.

 

Defense against gun control crosses party lines and trumps them. You're wrong. "Enough" said.

[Kliegl 304]

Here's some more pro-gun reasoning (in the form of satire)

 

40 Reasons For Gun Control

Significant portions of this article are excerpted from Michael Z. Williamson's excellent and witty piece, "It's amazing what one has to believe to believe in gun control"

 

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

 

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

 

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

 

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

 

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

 

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

 

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

 

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

 

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).

 

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

 

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

 

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

 

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

 

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.

 

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

 

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

 

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.

 

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

 

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

 

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

 

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

 

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

 

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

 

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

 

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

 

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

 

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

 

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

 

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.

 

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

 

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

 

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

 

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

 

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

 

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

 

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

 

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

 

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

 

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

 

40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

 

From: http://www.kc3.com/editorial/40reasons.htm

[22_Shooter 1,560]

Good stuff, Kliegl.

 

I always shake my head when I hear people talk about hunting + the 2nd Amendment. WTF?

[Vicarious_Lee 84]

This should be moved to the politics section.

 

How do I access that, BTW?

 

You need to do two things to access the politics section:

1.type in the code "iwantin" when prompted.

2.hold your nose, because there is a lot of shit down there.

 

Sal, Jesus Christ. Look man, I know it's unfair to do this, but I have to hold someone besides myself personally responsible for the 30 minutes and 30 IQ points I just lost.

 

Well, you warned me.