New York/922r HELP

[rkmast 0]

HELP, I know I have read all the posts, But still confussed. The problem is I live in N.Y. so I can,t have a pistol grip or folding stock of any kind. ok that said i can run ten round mags.

That brings me to the 922r. I read there are 14 foriegn patrs on a saiga 12, I have changed the forend, muzzle break (threaded brl) and have us mags that say (counts 3 us parts.)

that should do it. But I also have a us promag drum (10 rnds) that does not say what it counts for. if it count 1 (housing) then I need 1 more part. would the puk (gas piston) be the

easiest to do. Thanks Z RON

 

 

[YOT 3,743]

Simple answer, Yes.

[Nailbomb 10,221]

I believe even drum mags count for 3 parts, Body, Floorplate and follower.

 

even if a drum mag counted for less parts, it being a US made one the reduced part count would transfer to the weapon and however many parts it counted for would still apply.

 

For example.

 

Your original 14 part count included the 3 mag parts, you use a mag that counts for 1 but it US made. You have reduced your overall parts count by two and reduced imported parts count by one effectivly bringing you to the exact same number you would have has for a US stick mag anyway 11 imported parts left.

 

In any event I encourage you to make your shotgun 922r compliant in a manner other than magazines.

[rkmast 0]

I would love to make it compliant. I would like to do the stock and trigger group but can,t (NY says NO pistol grips)

what other 2parts could I easily change

[Nailbomb 10,221]

Find a thumbhole stock you like. For 922r Purposes thumbhole stocks count as 2 parts, so it effectivly raises your overall imported parts count unless its US made and then it reduces it by one.

 

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/sons-of-guns-mikeys-birthday-shotgun.html

[rkmast 0]

I would love to do a skeletonized stock and trigger group (it has to be moved forward if you change stocks) But I was told these stocks are not NY legal

Edited August 8, 2011 by zombie ron

[Nailbomb 10,221]

Who told you that?

 

Theres plenty of us NYers with them. The NYS AWB clearly states that a Protruding pistol grip is a evil feature, and makes no mention of thumbhole stocks anywhere.

 

Heres mine.

[Nailbomb 10,221]

Heres a link to the Full NYS AWB. It closely mimics the Federal level AWB, but the organization and some small wording changes are in there.

 

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article265.htm

 

Please also keep in mind that A federal and State level law are different and rulings on a now dead federal law do not impact a seperate state level law with its own built in definitions.

 

Feel free to read, learn and come to your own conclusions.

[rkmast 0]

One of my dealerstold me that, plus I read it on here on a post. someone said any skeletonized stock could be considered a pistol grip, and wouldn't take the chance.

But if you can use them where did you buy yours, I can't find one I like

 

 

[Nailbomb 10,221]

They have become rare, its a shame too, they are light and the length of pull is fantastic. You'll have to do some searching to find one.

 

We have had many people come on here with information that their dealers have told them... Lets just say there is a lot of misinformation out there. How many times have these guns suposed to have been banned from import or turned into destructive devices now?

 

I suggest you read the laws and come to your own conclusions, and don't rely on someone else for that information. Many people believe that if you are not given a straight answer that you can do something that you can't.

 

You will find laws against jay walking, but not ones telling you that you can cross on designated crosswalks. Why? Laws tell you what you can't do, not what you can.(unless there is a repeal or a modification)

[YOT 3,743]

ATI makes the one Will put on Mikey's "gift." I had that one on mine for a short time. It's actually not to bad. I think it's the StrikeForce or the Fiberforce. http://www.atigunstocks.com/p-36-ak-47-mak-90-maadi-fiberforce-stock-handguards.aspx

 

The SLR-95 stock from K-VAR (great price) can also be modified to work on the Saiga-12. http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17730&cat=0&page=1

Edited August 8, 2011 by Yeoldetool

[aaronjudd 0]

Nail bomb, what stock is that on your saiga 12. Im looking for one and cant seem to find one that looks exactly the same shape as yours. It dosent look like the ati

[Nailbomb 10,221]

Its a bulgarian thumbhole stock found on some SSR 85c models

 

Ticbite supply is where I bought my first from, the other two were picked up from another member in NY one of which came on a gun I bought off him to make the Digital Camo S-12 in the pics there.

 

I heard a rumor TG international might have a few kicking around in their shop, but they are not listed on the web page.

 

Tom Cole of Cadiz Gun Works bought up a small supply of them, but to get one from him you will have to send your gun to him to be converted(not a bad deal if your looking to have someone else do it anyway).

[aaronjudd 0]

Cool thanks, Ive been looking around and definatly think theese look the best for saiga 12's

Did it fit right on or did you have to trim it a bit.

Also not trying to thread jack but prol gonna convert it NY legal

Have 10 round surefire mags so that counts as 3 parts. Going to install trigger groupe and possibly poly choke or muzzle brake

Anything else you can think that I have to do. I already converted a 7.62 now its the S12's Turn.

[rkmast 0]

NAILBOMB, I went to TG Internationls web site, They have one on there, But It is listed as a VZ-85, Can this be fitted to the Saiga 12

How would I know. Did yours come made the the Saiga or were they Fitted. Thanks Z RON.

 

 

[Nailbomb 10,221]

AKAstormi has a S-12 with a VZ thumbhole stock on it. Its accualy probably a better setup as it gives you a softer cheek pan and buttplate.

 

he had to make a adapter for it, ask him for details.

[bigmegina 3]

ATI makes the one Will put on Mikey's "gift." I had that one on mine for a short time. It's actually not to bad. I think it's the StrikeForce or the Fiberforce. http://www.atigunstocks.com/p-36-ak-47-mak-90-maadi-fiberforce-stock-handguards.aspx

 

The SLR-95 stock from K-VAR (great price) can also be modified to work on the Saiga-12. http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17730&cat=0&page=1

 

 

SInce this topic is up, what ever happened with those bills you linked to a couple of months ago where they were trying to ban these stocks, along with the forward pistol grips, rails, et cetera? Didn't pass? Wasn't it suppose to be voted on in June?

[bigmegina 3]

HELP, I know I have read all the posts, But still confussed. The problem is I live in N.Y. so I can,t have a pistol grip or folding stock of any kind. ok that said i can run ten round mags.

That brings me to the 922r. I read there are 14 foriegn patrs on a saiga 12, I have changed the forend, muzzle break (threaded brl) and have us mags that say (counts 3 us parts.)

that should do it. But I also have a us promag drum (10 rnds) that does not say what it counts for. if it count 1 (housing) then I need 1 more part. would the puk (gas piston) be the

easiest to do. Thanks Z RON

 

 

I know someone who lived in FL, had a full conversion and moved to NY. He simply took off the magpul stock and tube, replaced it with a skeleton stock from MAA, and called it a day. IT took a little adjusting, but it's on and it hasn't budged after 300 rounds.

[XXasdf 29]

The ATI and Choate stocks are also viable alternatives. I've only dealt with the choate and had to do alot of modifications for it to fit.

[YOT 3,743]

ATI makes the one Will put on Mikey's "gift." I had that one on mine for a short time. It's actually not to bad. I think it's the StrikeForce or the Fiberforce. http://www.atigunstocks.com/p-36-ak-47-mak-90-maadi-fiberforce-stock-handguards.aspx

 

The SLR-95 stock from K-VAR (great price) can also be modified to work on the Saiga-12. http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17730&cat=0&page=1

 

 

SInce this topic is up, what ever happened with those bills you linked to a couple of months ago where they were trying to ban these stocks, along with the forward pistol grips, rails, et cetera? Didn't pass? Wasn't it suppose to be voted on in June?

 

Honestly, I have not checked up on it. I have referred back to the current laws, which haven't changed.

[akastormi 617]

I made a VZ58 Sporter stock fit my Saiga-12.

 

 

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/51377-never-tell-me-i-cant-do-something/page__p__479457__hl__stock__fromsearch__1&do=findComment&comment=479457

[sickness 89]

Rhineland Arms has some neat AK47 thumbhole stocks. I like the "panther" style myself... not really a fan of the PSL style on shotgun, but they have them. Might be a good option if you need a thumbhole and don't like plastic crap.

 

http://www.troupsystems.com/akparts.htm

 

They also have a PSL style stock for uncoverted Saigas which looks nice on the rifle shown. Again, now sure how it would work on out on a shotgun.

 

http://www.troupsystems.com/saiga.htm

 

I have some of their wood on a PSL now. Very nice quality wood, and excellent workmanship. My only complaint is that they are a bit pricey, but hey.. American labor costs a bit more, so whatever.

[bigmegina 3]

here you go.

 

http://www.combathunting.com/AK47_AK74_MAC_MAADI-AK_47_Fiberforce_Dragunov_Stock_7_62_x39_Drop_In.html

[aaronjudd 0]

here you go.

 

http://www.combathun...39_Drop_In.html

 

Thanks I just bought one, Ill let you know how I like it.

[Mr Mivet 6]

AFAIK about drums, is that they are considered not to have the three mag parts as the 922 description was designed around stick mags, in other words, they are basically neutral, they don't count as three imported parts, but, they don't count as three us parts either because none of the described parts in 922r exist in them.

 

Sounds weird, but, thats how I have seen a drum interpreted

[Katana 4]

here you go.

 

http://www.combathun...39_Drop_In.html

 

Thanks I just bought one, Ill let you know how I like it.

 

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it says right on the page "Will not fit Yugo AK47, SAR1 and SAR3 and will not fit Saiga."

[Mullet Man 2,114]

AFAIK about drums, is that they are considered not to have the three mag parts as the 922 description was designed around stick mags, in other words, they are basically neutral, they don't count as three imported parts, but, they don't count as three us parts either because none of the described parts in 922r exist in them.

 

Sounds weird, but, thats how I have seen a drum interpreted

 

 

This is the FAQ section on MDArms website.....

https://www.mdarms.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=6&zenid=mp6i35o5sgd8le2ppip1u745r1

 

Scroll down a few paragraphs to read the 922 compliance issue.

 

Essentially, drums have the same parts as stick mags, just in slightly different locations.

You could consider the back cover of the drum, the same as the floor plate on a stick mag IMO. That leaves you with the body and follower, which drums have, just like stick mags.

 

 

 

here you go.

 

http://www.combathun...39_Drop_In.html

 

Thanks I just bought one, Ill let you know how I like it.

 

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it says right on the page "Will not fit Yugo AK47, SAR1 and SAR3 and will not fit Saiga."

 

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and bet they mean uncoverted/as imported/neutered Saigas, which that stock wont work on.

Edited August 12, 2011 by Mullet Man

[Mr Mivet 6]

Mullet I am sure that MD arms interpretation is as good as the ones I have read about, but, take the case of the Soviet style drums which do not come apart, you have no "Baseplate", so, thats out in the case of those, and by not being specifically mentioned in 922r, you have an issue with the law not categorizing a drum, which, when the law was written, didn't seem to be of a concern.

 

Its one of those things in the first place, that helped make compliance a lot easier by making the mag three seperate components, instead of just one, which would be logical, but, there in nothing logical about 922 to begin with, so, as above, go scratch your head, and figure.

 

Also, remember, there was no one who had drums prior to the AW ban, other than the Chinese, and they had been banned from import, and there were no US manufactures either, so they law was never made to address a problem, which basically was non existent.

 

Add in the fact that 922 convictions have not occurred that I know of, and you have no further legal precident to base classification of the drums, and their legality on.

[aaronjudd 0]

AFAIK about drums, is that they are considered not to have the three mag parts as the 922 description was designed around stick mags, in other words, they are basically neutral, they don't count as three imported parts, but, they don't count as three us parts either because none of the described parts in 922r exist in them.

 

Sounds weird, but, thats how I have seen a drum interpreted

 

 

This is the FAQ section on MDArms website.....

https://www.mdarms.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=6&zenid=mp6i35o5sgd8le2ppip1u745r1

 

Scroll down a few paragraphs to read the 922 compliance issue.

 

Essentially, drums have the same parts as stick mags, just in slightly different locations.

You could consider the back cover of the drum, the same as the floor plate on a stick mag IMO. That leaves you with the body and follower, which drums have, just like stick mags.

 

 

 

here you go.

 

http://www.combathun...39_Drop_In.html

 

Thanks I just bought one, Ill let you know how I like it.

 

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it says right on the page "Will not fit Yugo AK47, SAR1 and SAR3 and will not fit Saiga."

 

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and bet they mean uncoverted/as imported/neutered Saigas, which that stock wont work on.

 

Ill make the damn thing fit somehow. Im good at fabricating things and have lots of tools Ill let you know how it goes when I do my conversion.

[Nailbomb 10,221]

you'll be disapointed at how little work it will take...

 

that stock was made for stamped reciever AKs, and the only reason the saiga is listed is indeed due to the FCG needing to be moved.