Aust 10 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hi Guys I've not really posted much on here before despite being a member since 2003 since I bought my Saiga 12 from a UK dealer (Sabre Defence Industries) They managed to buy about a dozen Shotguns in about ten years ago, most of them went to the special forces but they did have a handfull left over so I managed to buy one on my section 1 firearms licence. Here are some pics of my Shotgun, I believe its a Saiga 12K? It has a 24" Barrel (min allowed in the UK) Some of the mods I have done include Ace skeleton stock and reciever block Ace 1" cheek raiser FSU Composite forend with weaver rail (which I modified with adding oval holes) TDI AK grip and foregrip Buffer Technologies recoil buffer Kobra collamiter sight 4x 8 round mags Laser pointer Tactical sling Despite the mods I've done I'd like to add the following: Polish the bolt (I can do this myself as I'm easily capable with this type of thing) Tromix Monster Brake and barrel nut Tromix extended Charge handle Tromix Firing pin Extended Mag Release Bolt hold open lever (my gun does not have this as standard) JTE Mag guide 12rd mags MD arms 20rd Drum Mag Performance Main Spring Performance Recoil spring Krebs Safety Lever Thread alignment tool M22x.75 Die Aything else that could improve the gun? Where can Iget the above parts from? Does anyone ship parts to the UK? Are there any Gunsmiths in the UK that specialise in tactical weapons or the Saiga 12? If so who? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leadsled 40 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Very nice........on the bottom picture, are those interchangeable muzzle devices? Like the Izzy 8's also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 as far as where you can get parts from, thats gonna be tough...i think itar may be a hindrance there....prob have to smuggle em. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hobbyshooter 59 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I just got back from UK a few weeks ago. I had no idea there were any Saigas over there. I thought all the firearms in the UK were break-barrel. You are a rare breed. Nice Shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 If you can polish your bolt, you can rivet a tab onto your safety lever, and notch it if desired. It is also a simple matter to lengthen the magazine release. This is a big improvement in my opinion magwell or not. With the magwell, it is essential to gain the full benefit of fast changes. in the UK, maxrounds sells a drum. It costs more than the MD 20 but it is in your country. I am not sure you really need the springs. At any rate, fine tuning the gas system is an easy enough way to accomplish the same thing, but better. Since you have the Russian magazines, I believe using the Molot Magwell is a better choice. I believe that is available to you and cheaper, as are magazines made for it. I would be surprised if the die is not cheaper and more readily available in Europe than in the USA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armory 142 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Nice Gun! Way to go, thought no one had one in the UK!! When you point that thing South East, does the French Army raise a white flag? Bravo!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leadsled 40 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Nice Gun! Way to go, thought no one had one in the UK!! When you point that thing South East, does the French Army raise a white flag? Bravo!! Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa.......................... .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 in the UK, maxrounds sells a drum. It costs more than the MD 20 but it is in your country. I am not sure you really need the springs. At any rate, fine tuning the gas system is an easy enough way to accomplish the same thing, but better. Since you have the Russian magazines, I believe using the Molot Magwell is a better choice. I believe that is available to you and cheaper, as are magazines made for it. this right here, i believe the maxrounds will work in the russian magwell and it uses 3" shells Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vicdoc 38 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) No legal expert, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn... it would appear that ITAR covers selling/shipping of parts overseas. If the value is less than $100 (wholesale), then the part is exempt from ITAR. However, this is such a byzantine and hazardous minefield of possible problems, criminal or civil penalties, that I would understand why nobody would send an MD-20 mag overseas. A magazine is considered part of a firearm, being a component or part of one, defined in the US Munitions List. It wold be a Category I firearm part, as I read it. In fact, even the instruction sheet for the mag could be construed as technical data covered by these laws. http://www.fas.org/s...ar/p121.htm#C-I Category I-Firearms *(a) Nonautomatic, semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive, and all components and parts for such firearms. (See § 121.9 and §§ 123.16-123.19 of this subchapter.) (Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications, and specifically designed or modified components therefor; firearm silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors. *© Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms or other weapons having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts therefor. (d) Technical data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through © of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME. http://www.uscib.org...ortLicenses.pdf " The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the licensing of firearms and ammunition: i. Obsolete firearms and models: non-automatic firearms that were manufactured in or before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms ii. Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use: US persons may export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not more than 1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided that this is for the person’s exclusive use and not for re-export or other transfer of ownership iii. Minor components: components and parts for Category I firearms are exempt from licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100 wholesale in any single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frame), or complete breech mechanisms require a license" Edited February 11, 2012 by vicdoc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aust 10 Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) Very nice........on the bottom picture, are those interchangeable muzzle devices? Like the Izzy 8's also. Yes I've got a 6" full choke extension with a flash hinder screwed on that I'd like to fit Need to get my barrel threaded Nice Gun! Way to go, thought no one had one in the UK!! When you point that thing South East, does the French Army raise a white flag? Bravo!! There are quite a few Saiga 12's in the UK You would be surprised what guns are available in the UK All you need is the legal paperwork to allow you to owm them No legal expert, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn... it would appear that ITAR covers selling/shipping of parts overseas. If the value is less than $100 (wholesale), then the part is exempt from ITAR. However, this is such a byzantine and hazardous minefield of possible problems, criminal or civil penalties, that I would understand why nobody would send an MD-20 mag overseas. A magazine is considered part of a firearm, being a component or part of one, defined in the US Munitions List. It wold be a Category I firearm part, as I read it. In fact, even the instruction sheet for the mag could be construed as technical data covered by these laws. http://www.fas.org/s...ar/p121.htm#C-I Category I-Firearms *(a) Nonautomatic, semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive, and all components and parts for such firearms. (See § 121.9 and §§ 123.16-123.19 of this subchapter.) (Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications, and specifically designed or modified components therefor; firearm silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors. *© Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms or other weapons having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts therefor. (d) Technical data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through © of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME. http://www.uscib.org...ortLicenses.pdf " The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the licensing of firearms and ammunition: i. Obsolete firearms and models: non-automatic firearms that were manufactured in or before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms ii. Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use: US persons may export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not more than 1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided that this is for the person’s exclusive use and not for re-export or other transfer of ownership iii. Minor components: components and parts for Category I firearms are exempt from licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100 wholesale in any single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frame), or complete breech mechanisms require a license" Not wanting to sound rude but I've read quite a few posts now that have been ruined by going off on a tangent In the UK any person off the street can walk into there local gun shop and buy a magazine for any gun They are NOT controlled in the UK All my current mods to the ggun were bought dirrectly from the USA by myself I used to own a ruger 10/22 and a Volquartsen and bought loads of mods for it indirectly from the USA from a local gun shop Edited February 11, 2012 by AustenW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aust 10 Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 So can anyone suggest where I can get the parts I need to finish my build I suppose they could always be sent to my local Registered Firearms Dealer to be above board Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Austen, thanks for posting! Nice to hear some news about firearms from the UK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aust 10 Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Any ideas who can ship to the UK? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aust 10 Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I've Managed to source a Krebs saftey lever and trigger pin retainer plate from Midway UK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bugger 0 Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 AustenW, contact with me in rbgp@mail.ru Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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