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Hi Guys

 

I've not really posted much on here before despite being a member since 2003 since I bought my Saiga 12 from a UK dealer (Sabre Defence Industries) They managed to buy about a dozen Shotguns in about ten years ago, most of them went to the special forces but they did have a handfull left over so I managed to buy one on my section 1 firearms licence.

 

Here are some pics of my Shotgun, I believe its a Saiga 12K?

 

It has a 24" Barrel (min allowed in the UK)

 

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Some of the mods I have done include

 

Ace skeleton stock and reciever block

Ace 1" cheek raiser

 

FSU Composite forend with weaver rail (which I modified with adding oval holes)

TDI AK grip and foregrip

Buffer Technologies recoil buffer

Kobra collamiter sight

4x 8 round mags

Laser pointer

Tactical sling

 

Despite the mods I've done I'd like to add the following:

 

Polish the bolt (I can do this myself as I'm easily capable with this type of thing)

Tromix Monster Brake and barrel nut

Tromix extended Charge handle

Tromix Firing pin

Extended Mag Release

Bolt hold open lever (my gun does not have this as standard)

JTE Mag guide

12rd mags

MD arms 20rd Drum Mag

Performance Main Spring

Performance Recoil spring

Krebs Safety Lever

 

Thread alignment tool

M22x.75 Die

 

Aything else that could improve the gun?

 

 

 

 

Where can Iget the above parts from?

 

Does anyone ship parts to the UK?

 

Are there any Gunsmiths in the UK that specialise in tactical weapons or the Saiga 12?

 

If so who?

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If you can polish your bolt, you can rivet a tab onto your safety lever, and notch it if desired. It is also a simple matter to lengthen the magazine release. This is a big improvement in my opinion magwell or not. With the magwell, it is essential to gain the full benefit of fast changes.

 

 

in the UK, maxrounds sells a drum. It costs more than the MD 20 but it is in your country. I am not sure you really need the springs. At any rate, fine tuning the gas system is an easy enough way to accomplish the same thing, but better. Since you have the Russian magazines, I believe using the Molot Magwell is a better choice. I believe that is available to you and cheaper, as are magazines made for it.

 

I would be surprised if the die is not cheaper and more readily available in Europe than in the USA.

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in the UK, maxrounds sells a drum. It costs more than the MD 20 but it is in your country. I am not sure you really need the springs. At any rate, fine tuning the gas system is an easy enough way to accomplish the same thing, but better. Since you have the Russian magazines, I believe using the Molot Magwell is a better choice. I believe that is available to you and cheaper, as are magazines made for it.

 

 

this right here, i believe the maxrounds will work in the russian magwell and it uses 3" shells

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No legal expert, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn... it would appear that ITAR covers selling/shipping of parts overseas. If the value is less than $100 (wholesale), then the part is exempt from ITAR. However, this is such a byzantine and hazardous minefield of possible problems, criminal or civil penalties, that I would understand why nobody would send an MD-20 mag overseas. A magazine is considered part of a firearm, being a component or part of one, defined in the US Munitions List. It wold be a Category I firearm part, as I read it. In fact, even the instruction sheet for the mag could be construed as technical data covered by these laws.

http://www.fas.org/s...ar/p121.htm#C-I

 

Category I-Firearms

 

*(a) Nonautomatic, semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive, and all components and parts for such firearms. (See § 121.9 and §§ 123.16-123.19 of this subchapter.)

(Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications, and specifically designed or modified components therefor; firearm silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors.

*© Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms or other weapons having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts therefor.

(d) Technical data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through © of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME.

 

http://www.uscib.org...ortLicenses.pdf

 

" The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the

licensing of firearms and ammunition:

i. Obsolete firearms and models: non-automatic firearms that were manufactured in or

before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms

ii. Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use: US persons may

export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not more than

1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided that this is for the person’s exclusive use and

not for re-export or other transfer of ownership

iii. Minor components: components and parts for Category I firearms are exempt from

licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100 wholesale in any

single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frame), or complete breech

mechanisms require a license"

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Very nice........on the bottom picture, are those interchangeable muzzle devices?

 

Like the Izzy 8's also.

 

Yes I've got a 6" full choke extension with a flash hinder screwed on that I'd like to fit

 

Need to get my barrel threaded

 

Nice Gun!

Way to go, thought no one had one in the UK!!

 

When you point that thing South East, does the French Army raise a white flag?

 

 

Bravo!!

 

There are quite a few Saiga 12's in the UK

 

You would be surprised what guns are available in the UK

 

All you need is the legal paperwork to allow you to owm them

 

No legal expert, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn... it would appear that ITAR covers selling/shipping of parts overseas. If the value is less than $100 (wholesale), then the part is exempt from ITAR. However, this is such a byzantine and hazardous minefield of possible problems, criminal or civil penalties, that I would understand why nobody would send an MD-20 mag overseas. A magazine is considered part of a firearm, being a component or part of one, defined in the US Munitions List. It wold be a Category I firearm part, as I read it. In fact, even the instruction sheet for the mag could be construed as technical data covered by these laws.

http://www.fas.org/s...ar/p121.htm#C-I

 

Category I-Firearms

 

*(a) Nonautomatic, semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive, and all components and parts for such firearms. (See § 121.9 and §§ 123.16-123.19 of this subchapter.)

(Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications, and specifically designed or modified components therefor; firearm silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors.

*© Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms or other weapons having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts therefor.

(d) Technical data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through © of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME.

 

http://www.uscib.org...ortLicenses.pdf

 

" The ITAR provides for certain exemptions relative to the

licensing of firearms and ammunition:

i. Obsolete firearms and models: non-automatic firearms that were manufactured in or

before 1898, as well as replicas of such firearms

ii. Temporary export of firearms and ammunition for personal use: US persons may

export temporarily not more than three non-automatic firearms and not more than

1,000 cartridges of ammunition provided that this is for the person’s exclusive use and

not for re-export or other transfer of ownership

iii. Minor components: components and parts for Category I firearms are exempt from

licensing requirements when the total value does not exceed $100 wholesale in any

single transaction. Barrels, cylinders, receivers (frame), or complete breech

mechanisms require a license"

 

Not wanting to sound rude but I've read quite a few posts now that have been ruined by going off on a tangent

 

In the UK any person off the street can walk into there local gun shop and buy a magazine for any gun

 

They are NOT controlled in the UK

 

All my current mods to the ggun were bought dirrectly from the USA by myself

 

I used to own a ruger 10/22 and a Volquartsen and bought loads of mods for it indirectly from the USA from a local gun shop

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