Spetnaz Soldier 47 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 So today I was shooting at my range and I got a squib for the first time. I am shooting Tulammo 7.62x39. I have shot thousands upon thousands of rounds with nothing more than a delayed round. I was lucky enough to have it happen on my last round. Has anybody ever experienced anything like this will Tulammo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spetnaz Soldier 47 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Now I'm kind of paranoid about shooting tulammo. Ive shot probobly 30,000 thousands roundsof this stuff and have had about 10 hang fires and 1 squib. Hang fires I can "hang" with but the squib could have hurt me or destroyed my gun. What are your opinions on this you guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenman223 460 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Never had a squib load in any gun, dont really know what to say except be careful, were your eyepro's and maybe limit your rapid firing??? Or you could get some digital scales and weigh each round thats about all you can do. It can happen even with quality ammo, though the chances are less. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akastormi 617 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I can't say I've ever run across a squib load in x39 of any manufactured round. Ever. In my VZ52's I've had them, but with 60 year old ammo that's been kicked around from country to country and not stored properly.... I can understand it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mostholycerebus 415 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'd take 1/30,000 odds any day. Im sure I take worse odds every day, driving on ice, etc. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pyzik 597 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I've shot quite a bit of tul ammo in a few different calibers with no issues other than duds. Stay safe out there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tool_of_Society 15 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 So today I was shooting at my range and I got a squib for the first time. I am shooting Tulammo 7.62x39. I have shot thousands upon thousands of rounds with nothing more than a delayed round. I was lucky enough to have it happen on my last round. Has anybody ever experienced anything like this will Tulammo? I've shot a couple thousand rounds of Tulammo last year and I didn't even have a hang/delay fire in the batch. Squib rounds kind of scare me and combined with the rarity of ammo around here now I don't rapid fire at all anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spetnaz Soldier 47 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Ok thanks guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I had one in my 308, did not cycle the action, mil surplus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dsmtsi23 18 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Never had a squib in 7.62x39. I run alot of the Tula (walmart) ammo too. Maybe Tula is just producing more ammo with less care? Stay safe and glad to her you caught it early. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Was it old surplus Tula or new? Those odds don't sound bad to me. I am sure someone will rapidly correct my vague recollections here, but I am pretty sure the military doesn't even ask for failure rates lower than something like 1/20,000. While my number may be way off, I don't think any company can guarantee much better than 1/30k. Either way right now is either the the stupidest time to stock up on common caliber ammo or the smartest, and I am undecided which. If you shoot that much, you might want to order a pallet right now before people panic. I don't expect panic prices to stick, but cost creeps up on everything, so it is hard to loose on relatively new non-corrosive ammo. Even if you get gouged at the moment, I think gradually rising cost of components will eventually make stockpiling cheap ammo pay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Eagle 839 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) If you still have the box, you can email Tulammo with the lot number, and sometimes they'll make it right. Info like that helps them with QC as well. Edited January 2, 2013 by Lone Eagle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spetnaz Soldier 47 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Where can i get a pallet of ammo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remek 771 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 I'd like to know that too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) . Squib rounds kind of scare me and combined with the rarity of ammo around here now I don't rapid fire at all anymore. you don't need to be scared of "squibs", even when rapid firing or in full auto, we refereed to as "pop-no-kick" when I was in the Army. like the name implies it will just give a "pop" sound, and you won't feel any recoil, also in all cases the bolt will not cycle or not fully cycle, as there isn't the pressure to do that. if that happens don't go hand charging a new round into the chamber and then shoot, because that is when you will blow up the barrel. I've had quite a few "pop-no-kick", at the qualification range, along with a lot of other soldiers, it was a real bad lot. but as long as you know what to watch out for it's not a big issue. it's only a big issue if you don't know and you merrily just hand chamber a new round and squeeze the trigger. Edited January 3, 2013 by Matthew Hopkins 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Look at it like this. It didnt turn out bad for you. Now you know what to expect, what it is like. Hopefully you can identify it if it ever happens again and prevent something bad. I hope if it ever happens to me I know it happened before I go click again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spetnaz Soldier 47 Posted January 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 . Squib rounds kind of scare me and combined with the rarity of ammo around here now I don't rapid fire at all anymore.you don't need to be scared of "squibs", even when rapid firing or in full auto, we refereed to as "pop-no-kick" when I was in the Army. like the name implies it will just give a "pop" sound, and you won't feel any recoil, also in all cases the bolt will not cycle or not fully cycle, as there isn't the pressure to do that. if that happens don't go hand charging a new round into the chamber and then shoot, because that is when you will blow up the barrel. I've had quite a few "pop-no-kick", at the qualification range, along with a lot of other soldiers, it was a real bad lot. but as long as you know what to watch out for it's not a big issue. it's only a big issue if you don't know and you merrily just hand chamber a new round and squeeze the trigger. If that is true then its no big deal at all. Good advice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tool_of_Society 15 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 . Squib rounds kind of scare me and combined with the rarity of ammo around here now I don't rapid fire at all anymore. you don't need to be scared of "squibs", even when rapid firing or in full auto, we refereed to as "pop-no-kick" when I was in the Army. like the name implies it will just give a "pop" sound, and you won't feel any recoil, also in all cases the bolt will not cycle or not fully cycle, as there isn't the pressure to do that. if that happens don't go hand charging a new round into the chamber and then shoot, because that is when you will blow up the barrel. I've had quite a few "pop-no-kick", at the qualification range, along with a lot of other soldiers, it was a real bad lot. but as long as you know what to watch out for it's not a big issue. it's only a big issue if you don't know and you merrily just hand chamber a new round and squeeze the trigger. Thanks for the info Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 That's something to consider, mr. hopkins. I had a squib fire once with some ratty looking old .38s & .357 that had been on a boat for a few years that I was using up in my uncle's S&W .357. It had a "handy" feature to prevent firing another round into an obstructing bullet-- The cartridge fired soft, and pushed the bullet just enough so that it was half way between cylendar and barrel, thus preventing me from firing twice double action, or tipping the cylinder out to clear the round. I had to make an aluminum rod to push the bullet back into the cartridge before I could eject it. IIRC I used a big vise and some wood scraps for padding to push the rod in slowly. We have had lots of .22lr duds and soft fires from 10/22s on the boat (likely from moisture on old ammo), so I have gotten a keen sense of " that one didn't feel right- better check" So far no squib loads sticking in the barrel though, despite probably hundreds of weak loads. Seeing an impact or hearing the bullet zip in the air is a good sign the bullet made it out of the pipe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mostholycerebus 415 Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Where can i get a pallet of ammo? Gunbroker. Better have a high limit on yer CC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mogunner 240 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Only squib I've had was Winchester White Box bulk pack in 9mm, two in one 100 round box. I don't shoot WWB any more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 A squib in 30k rounds doesn't give you one in 30k odds of a squib. One in any number doesn't give you odds until the even starts repeating. Anyway... There's no way a squib in a gas operated rifle will cycle a fresh round. To do potential damage to the rifle you would have to fire the rifle, get a squib, pull the trigger on empty, rack the bolt for a new round, and fire again. That failure to cycle should give you ample time for your noggin to comprehend the funky sound of the squib that caused it before you tap, rack, bang it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spetnaz Soldier 47 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Are you sure there is NO way possible for it to get in front of the gas block through the barrel and then cycle it..? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Are you sure there is NO way possible for it to get in front of the gas block through the barrel and then cycle it..? Yes, if there isn't enough pressure to push the bullet out then there certainly won't be enough pressure to cycle the system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spetnaz Soldier 47 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 ya but it could still just be pushed far enough to cycle a new round still right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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