why did hitler ban 22lr holl0w points?

[HighPlainsDrifter 466]

Curse you Glenn Beck for again getting everyone's panties in a bunch.

 

 

Edited June 7, 2013 by HighPlainsDrifter

[gunman1 1,753]

For all you "Becky" haters... State and prove one fact Beck has stated that is false... I find people who hate Beck have never listened to him. Can we all say, "blind prejudice"?!?! It's like when I talk with my mother in law (a complete libtard), common sense and logic does not enter the conversation from her side, only firm and commited beliefs...

 

“There is a principal which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance- that principal is contempt prior to investigation.”

-HERBERT SPENCER

[thebuns1 4,323]

For all you "Becky" haters... State and prove one fact Beck has stated that is false... I find people who hate Beck have never listened to him. Can we all say, "blind prejudice"?!?! It's like when I talk with my mother in law (a complete libtard), common sense and logic does not enter the conversation from her side, only firm and commited beliefs...

Thats funny. I urge many to do the same for Alex Jones. Before you bash, do the research on any given subject in question, and also to be fair, research his claims and not just right it off like most brainwashed folks tend to do in this country.

[Jpanzer 1,265]

 

 

 

The gist of which is this:

 

 

"Unfortunately for those who would like to link Hitler and the National Socialists with gun control, the entire premise for such an effort is false. German firearms legislation under Hitler, far from banning private ownership, actually facilitated the keeping and bearing of arms by German citizens by eliminating or ameliorating restrictive laws which had been enacted by the government preceding his."

 

But who really cares about facts?

 

Yo JP

I do and your statement above is not a fact -- only a baseless, non supported with facts statement. It has as much credibility as if I were to write; " Saiga prices are now down to $199." Oh, snap! was that the sound of Jpanzer running out the door for a deal????

 

Btw, I also had a fascination with the 3rd Reich period, when I was ten.

 

Odd Man Out is not the odd man out this time. I have talked to Austrian Jews, and even the recent Austrian Jew who was in the news recently for warning us about banning guns, and how it happened before, under Hitler.

 

Hitler banned as many guns as he could as he went along, so there could be no armed retaliation. Hell, the liberator would not be famous if not for banning of other guns.

 

Hell, I was chatting with a really old fellow at my gun club last month, and he was reiterating the same. He had served in WWII, so, although he served in Europe, I assume he had a more direct view of the events.

^^^ I think I started to sound a little weird there. Could I say "Hell" again, please?! LOL

 

Don't take my word for it, read and examine the facts for yourself. Here, this is just one academic source that backs what I said: http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4029&context=flr

That particular one is from the Fordham Law Review. Granted, at 29 pages it's well beyond Odd Man Outs reading or comprehension skills, but you should be able to digest it Remek. And look around, there are other credible sources out there that will essentially tell you the same thing.

 

But as I said earlier, who's interested in facts anyway?

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

Oh Jp, you hurt my feelings... Your immature efforts at denigration has only proven that I have successfully inserted a key into your mind and twisted... Oh well. If you say that Hitler was a gun rights advocate I guess I will just have to not believe you. You can list all sorts of "facts" you like -- I own a 364 page book written by a Dr. Arthur Butzs that very authoritatively and effectively (with notes and references) "proves" that the holocaust never happened and that the approximately 50,000 jews that really did die (according to Butz) were a result of overcrowding and typhus. Of course every thinking person on this planet acknowledges the reality of the holocaust, but there are some out there.... I guess I have to place you with those "out there"...

Edited June 7, 2013 by Odd Man Out

[jdub23 21]

From my searching it appears that the libs have gone to great lengths to untie Hitler with any kind of opressive gun laws. I mean there is an obvious push to flood search inquiries with the exact opposite of what we know as hitler in respect to disarming and placing Jews in concentration camps is enough for me. From what I have gleaned also; you had to be a German citizen with a permit and even then it had to be approved, unless you were one of the elite He systematically "rid" Germany of Communism, wrote a "fuck off law" dissolved Parliament and became a totalitarian regime. In 1935 before the invasion of Poland he inacted an "immenent threat" doctrine that essentially disarmed Jews as they were no no longer part of the state and gave rigts of gun ownership to citizens that meet the criteria. Do we really need the "criteria" defined?

 

Very determined effort to seperate Hitler from basically totalitarianism and anit gun measures in his rise to power flooding the net... Wow... I'm way to tired to dive into that. I'll take it for what it appears to be because its slapping me across the face....

 

I actually have a lawyer friend that majored in history with emphysis on German and speaks it for that matter. Gonna run it by him over a beer in a week or two, he doesn't take side on history like this, he will stick to the facts. I will believe what he tells me and no he's not a NAZI sympathizer ...

Edited June 7, 2013 by jdub23

[magsite20 1,664]

hitler a dickhead, beck a shithead, brady shot in the head, and a ban on a bullethead. wild topic ride ahead.

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

Actually the way old hairy lip banned firearms is the most dire warning of all.

 

He banned them from the groups he was preparing to exterminate leaving other people's firearms mainly intact.

 

Perhaps a 1930s "Only Ones" idea put into horrid clarity.

Disarm and one day you will wish you had not. Allow others to be disarmed and one day you may have blood on your hands.

[vulcan16 971]

A big bad ass biker buddy of my brothers was shot several times in the groin by a little guy (who was NOT going to take an ass woopin), when he refused to just let him leave. It really screwed him up ( wore a colostomy bag after that), the doctor said he would have been much better off being shot by a larger caliber! The bullets rickocheted all over inside his pelvis making hamburger out of his intestines. Though it would NOT be my choice for defense it obviously can work.

I've always told the wife and her daughter if you have to shoot an intruder with a small caliber weapon, shoot them in the groin.It may not knock them down, but will make them bend over. Then knee them in the face or groin and run like hell.

[Remek 771]

^^^ hope your state has immunity for shooting attackers/intruders, along with very clear guidance as to when its okay.

 

Otherwise I would suggest stopping the threat as permanently as possible. If the bad guy dies, dead men tell no tales.

Oh! Texas, you already know what you are doing then, I think!

[uzitiger 193]

For all you "Becky" haters... State and prove one fact Beck has stated that is false... I find people who hate Beck have never listened to him. Can we all say, "blind prejudice"?!?! It's like when I talk with my mother in law (a complete libtard), common sense and logic does not enter the conversation from her side, only firm and commited beliefs...

 

A lot of what Glenn Beck said is true including the progressive movement and their Islamic allies. I am a Beck listener and what he warned us about is coming into fruition with the Obamuslim.

[6500rpm 670]

I've grown tired of Glen the past year as he's just got to be a be over the top. He's since been replaced by "The Five" on Fox. Kimberly Guilfoyle= yummy Right Wing common sense

 

Fuck Hitler-my dad liberated Dachau.

Edited June 7, 2013 by 6500rpm

[filthygovemploye 64]

Ha ha, I'll I had to go on at the time was his books. I didn't have internet in the mid-80s and I did not refute it. I never even gave it a second thought until I read this thread. Didn't mean to stir up shit? Don't know what Rhodes1968 is refering to. It's all good.

 

 

its based upon per capita weapons at hand. if everyone had a 38 in ther draws, more folks would be killed with them...

 

its not that its "so deadly", its that EVERYONE has at least one.... and which gun is the most effective? the one in yiour hand... cheese and rice folks quit trolling

From my searching it appears that the libs have gone to great lengths to untie Hitler with any kind of opressive gun laws. I mean there is an obvious push to flood search inquiries with the exact opposite of what we know as hitler in respect to disarming and placing Jews in concentration camps is enough for me. From what I have gleaned also; you had to be a German citizen with a permit and even then it had to be approved, unless you were one of the elite He systematically "rid" Germany of Communism, wrote a "fuck off law" dissolved Parliament and became a totalitarian regime. In 1935 before the invasion of Poland he inacted an "immenent threat" doctrine that essentially disarmed Jews as they were no no longer part of the state and gave rigts of gun ownership to citizens that meet the criteria. Do we really need the "criteria" defined?

 

Very determined effort to seperate Hitler from basically totalitarianism and anit gun measures in his rise to power flooding the net... Wow... I'm way to tired to dive into that. I'll take it for what it appears to be because its slapping me across the face....

 

I actually have a lawyer friend that majored in history with emphysis on German and speaks it for that matter. Gonna run it by him over a beer in a week or two, he doesn't take side on history like this, he will stick to the facts. I will believe what he tells me and no he's not a NAZI sympathizer ...

 

 

i mean, in the evil scheme of things, why or how does the lowly 22 deserve attention...

 

and by answers i am looking for, "well historically speaking everyone had a 22 for killing rats etc etc so basically this did that" not, ohmagawsheveryonesuckswhocaresletshijack!!!

[jdub23 21]

 

Ha ha, I'll I had to go on at the time was his books. I didn't have internet in the mid-80s and I did not refute it. I never even gave it a second thought until I read this thread. Didn't mean to stir up shit? Don't know what Rhodes1968 is refering to. It's all good.

 

 

its based upon per capita weapons at hand. if everyone had a 38 in ther draws, more folks would be killed with them...

 

its not that its "so deadly", its that EVERYONE has at least one.... and which gun is the most effective? the one in yiour hand... cheese and rice folks quit trolling

From my searching it appears that the libs have gone to great lengths to untie Hitler with any kind of opressive gun laws. I mean there is an obvious push to flood search inquiries with the exact opposite of what we know as hitler in respect to disarming and placing Jews in concentration camps is enough for me. From what I have gleaned also; you had to be a German citizen with a permit and even then it had to be approved, unless you were one of the elite He systematically "rid" Germany of Communism, wrote a "fuck off law" dissolved Parliament and became a totalitarian regime. In 1935 before the invasion of Poland he inacted an "immenent threat" doctrine that essentially disarmed Jews as they were no no longer part of the state and gave rigts of gun ownership to citizens that meet the criteria. Do we really need the "criteria" defined?

 

Very determined effort to seperate Hitler from basically totalitarianism and anit gun measures in his rise to power flooding the net... Wow... I'm way to tired to dive into that. I'll take it for what it appears to be because its slapping me across the face....

 

I actually have a lawyer friend that majored in history with emphysis on German and speaks it for that matter. Gonna run it by him over a beer in a week or two, he doesn't take side on history like this, he will stick to the facts. I will believe what he tells me and no he's not a NAZI sympathizer ...

 

 

i mean, in the evil scheme of things, why or how does the lowly 22 deserve attention...

 

and by answers i am looking for, "well historically speaking everyone had a 22 for killing rats etc etc so basically this did that" not, ohmagawsheveryonesuckswhocaresletshijack!!!

 

Why are air rifles banned in the UK? As far as the rhetoric I pulled up specifically addressing Hitler and gun laws seemed to add counterweight to the NRA's very affective correlations to Hitler's rise to power and the consequences of his vision. Which "do I need to mention" a whole gereration of Germans agreed with. ELITE is all that comes to my mind when I see, hear and read about those times. Did the 22lr evolve from a rat gun? "no" I am gonna fall back on the poly issues for a while....... Good board we need more Saiga's...

Edited June 7, 2013 by jdub23

[Shandlanos 1,470]

 

 

Ha ha, I'll I had to go on at the time was his books. I didn't have internet in the mid-80s and I did not refute it. I never even gave it a second thought until I read this thread. Didn't mean to stir up shit? Don't know what Rhodes1968 is refering to. It's all good.

 

 

its based upon per capita weapons at hand. if everyone had a 38 in ther draws, more folks would be killed with them...

 

its not that its "so deadly", its that EVERYONE has at least one.... and which gun is the most effective? the one in yiour hand... cheese and rice folks quit trolling

From my searching it appears that the libs have gone to great lengths to untie Hitler with any kind of opressive gun laws. I mean there is an obvious push to flood search inquiries with the exact opposite of what we know as hitler in respect to disarming and placing Jews in concentration camps is enough for me. From what I have gleaned also; you had to be a German citizen with a permit and even then it had to be approved, unless you were one of the elite He systematically "rid" Germany of Communism, wrote a "fuck off law" dissolved Parliament and became a totalitarian regime. In 1935 before the invasion of Poland he inacted an "immenent threat" doctrine that essentially disarmed Jews as they were no no longer part of the state and gave rigts of gun ownership to citizens that meet the criteria. Do we really need the "criteria" defined?

 

Very determined effort to seperate Hitler from basically totalitarianism and anit gun measures in his rise to power flooding the net... Wow... I'm way to tired to dive into that. I'll take it for what it appears to be because its slapping me across the face....

 

I actually have a lawyer friend that majored in history with emphysis on German and speaks it for that matter. Gonna run it by him over a beer in a week or two, he doesn't take side on history like this, he will stick to the facts. I will believe what he tells me and no he's not a NAZI sympathizer ...

 

 

i mean, in the evil scheme of things, why or how does the lowly 22 deserve attention...

 

and by answers i am looking for, "well historically speaking everyone had a 22 for killing rats etc etc so basically this did that" not, ohmagawsheveryonesuckswhocaresletshijack!!!

 

Why are air rifles banned in the UK? As far as the rhetoric I pulled up specifically addressing Hitler and gun laws seemed to add counterweight to the NRA's very affective correlations to Hitler's rise to power and the consequences of his vision. Which "do I need to mention" a whole gereration of Germans agreed with. ELITE is all that comes to my mind when I see, hear and read about those times. Did the 22lr evolve from a rat gun? "no" I am gonna fall back on the poly issues for a while....... Good board we need more Saiga's...

 

Pretty sure they aren't outright banned - if I recall correctly, airguns with a muzzle energy of less than 1 joule are relatively unregulated (airsoft guns and the like) - those that are over 1 joule require licensing as firearms.

[liberty -r- death 1,445]

Did not know Hilter banned them. Good to know since histoy repeats.

 

The 22lr is one of those rounds that you never know where it will come out if it exits the human body. EMS calls - I've seen people shot in the front of the thigh and the exit wound was the top of the shoulder. Lots of internal damage.

 

From the military and mob hitman that use it is very effective when the shot from a pistol and is placed behind the ear. Usually does not exit if the angle is right. Makes the brain into jelly bouncing around in the skull. Ah, but I digress.

[jdub23 21]

 

 

 

Ha ha, I'll I had to go on at the time was his books. I didn't have internet in the mid-80s and I did not refute it. I never even gave it a second thought until I read this thread. Didn't mean to stir up shit? Don't know what Rhodes1968 is refering to. It's all good.

 

 

its based upon per capita weapons at hand. if everyone had a 38 in ther draws, more folks would be killed with them...

 

its not that its "so deadly", its that EVERYONE has at least one.... and which gun is the most effective? the one in yiour hand... cheese and rice folks quit trolling

From my searching it appears that the libs have gone to great lengths to untie Hitler with any kind of opressive gun laws. I mean there is an obvious push to flood search inquiries with the exact opposite of what we know as hitler in respect to disarming and placing Jews in concentration camps is enough for me. From what I have gleaned also; you had to be a German citizen with a permit and even then it had to be approved, unless you were one of the elite He systematically "rid" Germany of Communism, wrote a "fuck off law" dissolved Parliament and became a totalitarian regime. In 1935 before the invasion of Poland he inacted an "immenent threat" doctrine that essentially disarmed Jews as they were no no longer part of the state and gave rigts of gun ownership to citizens that meet the criteria. Do we really need the "criteria" defined?

 

Very determined effort to seperate Hitler from basically totalitarianism and anit gun measures in his rise to power flooding the net... Wow... I'm way to tired to dive into that. I'll take it for what it appears to be because its slapping me across the face....

 

I actually have a lawyer friend that majored in history with emphysis on German and speaks it for that matter. Gonna run it by him over a beer in a week or two, he doesn't take side on history like this, he will stick to the facts. I will believe what he tells me and no he's not a NAZI sympathizer ...

 

 

i mean, in the evil scheme of things, why or how does the lowly 22 deserve attention...

 

and by answers i am looking for, "well historically speaking everyone had a 22 for killing rats etc etc so basically this did that" not, ohmagawsheveryonesuckswhocaresletshijack!!!

 

Why are air rifles banned in the UK? As far as the rhetoric I pulled up specifically addressing Hitler and gun laws seemed to add counterweight to the NRA's very affective correlations to Hitler's rise to power and the consequences of his vision. Which "do I need to mention" a whole gereration of Germans agreed with. ELITE is all that comes to my mind when I see, hear and read about those times. Did the 22lr evolve from a rat gun? "no" I am gonna fall back on the poly issues for a while....... Good board we need more Saiga's...

 

Pretty sure they aren't outright banned - if I recall correctly, airguns with a muzzle energy of less than 1 joule are relatively unregulated (airsoft guns and the like) - those that are over 1 joule require licensing as firearms.

 

Yeah, I spoke a little quick but out of curiosity I looked at just how restricted they are. IMO its not worth even trying to obtain one there. Looks like you can get up to about 12 ft lbs which I think a standard 22 lr from a 22" barrel is around 116 ft lbs at the muzzle. You still have to jump through hoops to get one and even have to give a reason to have one with a little more power... I would rather chunk spears. But I bet spears are illegal too..