Carsner86 18 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 So I think I'm finally gonna get one. I feel I'm missing out. I want one I can not give 2 f$@:s about and just shoot all the cheap ammo I can put of! So I want to get something that is reliable and easy on the wallet. I would also like wood furniture. I am most deffinatly a total moron when it comes to these guns. Only ak type gun I have is an s12. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Well, if you want cheap, reliable, and already built, then a Romanian Wasr-10/63 is probably going to be your best bet. If you want to step it up a little, perhaps an AMD-65 or Yugo M70AB1 (fixed stock) or AB2 (underfolder). However, the Yugo's have some differences. Some of your regular AK accessories may not be interchangeable. Moving up from there, you'd probably be in Polish, Bulgarian (arsenal), and Russian (Izhmash) territory, just to name a few... Edited May 6, 2015 by forsaken352 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 +1 on the WASR-10, they are getting a lot more respect than they used to. Haven't seen a new one in person yet, going by feedback they seem to be much higher quality than the WASRs of years ago. I've seen a new Yugo O-PAP that's really nice too. If you want to spend a bit more for a milled, the C39V2 is nice, although it doesn't have a scope rail. WASR is on sale at Atlantic http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/cai-ak-47-wasr-10-7-62x39mm-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0 . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) I'm a huge fan of the N-PAP. Can't beat the quality for the price. With more information I no longer recommend the N-PAP. Edited May 17, 2015 by Darth Saigus 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) I think the one my buddy bought was a N-PAP and not an O-PAP..... I get my PAPS confused. (There's a joke in there some where) Edited May 6, 2015 by Spartacus 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 C39v2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGL 530 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Based on your description, I would definitely recommend the WASR. They have gotten a lot nicer over the last couple of years, and it's the only "entry-level" AK with a CHF chrome lined barrel. The NPAPs are a close second, with the chrome hammer forged barrel, but they are unfortunately not chrome lined. They are still great rifles though, and the argument could be made that you don't need the chrome lining.I would still stay far away from US builds with US barrels...at least while imports are still available. The best case scenario would be to find one locally that you can inspect yourself, or buy from Atlantic Firearms where they will inspect it before shipping and take care of you if they miss something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 While I agree that the wasr 10 is a good deal, the c39v2 is really a well made rifle. Yeah, no chrome in the barrel, but when you see the abuse that rifle survived in the trials that some of the YouTube posters put it through its hard not to be impressed. Just saying. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Spartacus, on 06 May 2015 - 12:17 AM, said: I think the one my buddy bought was a N-PAP and not an O-PAP..... I get my PAPS confused. (There's a joke in there some where) Just don't get a Pap smear. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Has Palmetto State Armory released their AK yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 there are actually few BAD AKs on the market right now. I just suggest avoiding anything made by IO INC until they have further proven their "new workforce." personally I would suggest either a WASR or NPAP. neither costs very much, both are decent quality (PAP a bit nicer), and should get you going right out of the box. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) I just suggest avoiding anything made by IO INC until they have further proven their "new workforce." Thats a load of crap. I suggest you go out and buy a new I.O. before you make such statements. I did, and I can say my I.O. is just as good as any AK twice it's price. I've got around 700 rounds through mine with no problems at all. The quality is top notch, very well built, wood is beautifull. They may have had issues in the past ….But this new I.O.'s AK's are great!!!! This is coming from someone who actually owns one. Edited May 6, 2015 by SHOTGUN MESSIAH 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Good to hear about the IO. It takes time to overcome a bad rep. Century finally made it. But even so there are those who won't buy one. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Centurys rep on their 100% US made guns is not that good from what I've been reading over on the AKfiles. The consensus is to steer clear of them. IO has the same reputation, even with their newest builds. Before someone jumps down my throat, I'm not saying everyone says they are Shit but a lot of people are getting fucked up AK's from both IO and Century. Edited May 6, 2015 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) The only problem, if you want to call it one, that I had is a little hammer snag. It never got hung up when shooting so I don't see it as a problem. after close to 700 rnds it is all gone now anyways. To be honest I wasn't expecting much from I.O., I wanted a gun that was a beater that I didn't have to worry about if it got stole or confiscated or dropped in a lake. What I got was a super nice reliable AK instead. Your never gonna please everybody…….but I'm a very pleased customer. I would buy from them again. Edited May 6, 2015 by SHOTGUN MESSIAH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Centurys rep on their 100% US made guns is not that good from what I've been reading over on the AKfiles. The consensus is to steer clear of them. IO has the same reputation, even with their newest builds. Before someone jumps down my throat, I'm not saying everyone says they are Shit but a lot of people are getting fucked up AK's from both IO and Century. They are overcoming a very strong bias, IMO. The rear sights are pretty much going to rattle loose if you don't loctite them. (I would change out the rear site for a peep anyway) Everything else on them is solid, straight and exceptionally smooth. I don't always care for the furniture that's packaged with them, but the build quality on all the ones from the last year or so that I have looked at is very good. Far smoother than the PAPs or anything sheet metal that I have handled. They had some odd casting designs in the BCG. -- if there are problems with that, it might change my generally favorable opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) I just suggest avoiding anything made by IO INC until they have further proven their "new workforce." Thats a load of crap. I suggest you go out and buy a new I.O. before you make such statements.I did, and I can say my I.O. is just as good as any AK twice it's price. I've got around 700 rounds through mine with no problems at all. The quality is top notch, very well built, wood is beautifull. They may have had issues in the past ….But this new I.O.'s AK's are great!!!! This is coming from someone who actually owns one. Like I said before in your thread, I'm glad you got a good one, but IO has been putting out bottom of the barrel junk for so long that it will take them quite a while to establish a good QC reputation with their new rifles. Haven't seen it happen yet, but I hope it does, as more options are always better. Edited May 6, 2015 by mancat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 If you see a Saiga, buy it. Then WASR. Looked the IO, decent reviews in the last six months. Please define easy on the wallet. 500? 700? More? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Centurys rep on their 100% US made guns is not that good from what I've been reading over on the AKfiles. The consensus is to steer clear of them. IO has the same reputation, even with their newest builds. Before someone jumps down my throat, I'm not saying everyone says they are Shit but a lot of people are getting fucked up AK's from both IO and Century. They are overcoming a very strong bias, IMO. I'm sure that's part of it. I'm sure some of it is actual issues too. I wouldn't buy either (IO or Century) without looking at it in person. But then I wouldn't buy either anyway as they don't fit my wants. Anywho.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Dunham's has WASR-10s for $550 dollars on sale, or at least they did for a while. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Well, commented about a recent IO purchase on another thread. Asked a question and made a observation to their customer service after hours, received a reply by 10 am. Plus the observation comment about a slight can't, got an offer to replace weapon on their dime for shipping and any transfer fees, wasn't even requested, so I'm pleased. Fired 1,000rds, little stiff, and a bit of trigger back slap 1st 60rds, then worked in and smooth. Couple older WASR's that have thousands of rounds, never any issues, yet have seen some that were crappy put together. Had an Arsenal with many issues, that eventually just got money back. Have always been pleased with Yugo and Polish. If purchasing 1st, would really want to buy only after seeing and checking out, unless a very reputable builder/wholesaler with an excellent return policy. Oh, purchased another Arsenal, NO issue. Every builder/seller can have a lemon, it's how they deal with it, Edited May 7, 2015 by Ruffian72 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm a huge fan of the N-PAP. Can't beat the quality for the price. I'm thinking about getting one of those. Do they feed HP and SP ammo reliably? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Mine feeds everything. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
semper299 284 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I would get a WASR if I were trying to get into the AK game, although this is the worst time ever to try and get an AK. They are more expensive than AR's, which is totally ass backward. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Mine feeds everything. Does yours have a fixed stock or is it an underfolder? I'm intererested in the one at Atlantic with the fixed wood stock, but the angle of the stock looks kinda funky. I'm wondering if the sights line up properly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I have the under folder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Like Darth got an under folder, really like it, yet butt is wider. Every since shoulder rebuilt by Navy Doc 30 years ago, have issue getting under folders seated. Slated to be handed down to a niece when she graduates in a couple weeks. One she grabs first when at range. Well built, was good out of the box. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Not a fan of the underfolding stock myself. I just thought the collection needed one. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGL 530 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Hey Darth, Have you been following the whole NPAP / Rob Ski controversy lately? There are a lot of people worried about the heat treat on these rifles now. Apparently his review pissed off Century who demanded he send back all of their T&E guns immediately. Hopefully it's overblown or if not, maybe it just affects a particular batch of receivers. Edited May 14, 2015 by SGL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) It may be cool to see AKs surviving ridiculous abuse but the fact that you can destroy anything if you try hard enough doesn't affect my opinion of the NPAP. EDIT: The information from Henderson Defense does affect my opinion of the NPAP. Hard use is legit and if N-PAPs crack under hard use then I can't recommend them. Edited May 17, 2015 by Darth Saigus 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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