VforVandetta 42 Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) So it looks like the DDI 12 has (quietly?) come to market.... not making much of a splash that I can see, and a full $130-150 under the anticipated MSRP....gotta admit i'm slightly intrigued about the factory m4 stock compatability, left side charger and AR style ambi safety. The lack of optic mounting options is disturbing, but a long sight radius and dust cover mounted irons is another cool "after market style" feature. Also takes Saiga mags. This could be interesting, can't wait for that first video review. Believe AIM had them and is sold out already, and Centerfire as well. Edited February 26, 2016 by VforVandetta 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGL 530 Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Just a quick heads up that there is a thread in progress on this topic at http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/98286-new-ak-shotgun-that-takes-s12-mags-ddi/ Also, you should probably remove that link out of respect for the forum rules. Links to vendors only. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VforVandetta 42 Posted February 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 Where are the forum rules? I looked. can't find em. I read the ones about posting sale ads. Is that what you meant by rules? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGL 530 Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/88701-a-quick-reminder-on-forum-rules/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VforVandetta 42 Posted February 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 Duly noted and edited, sir! I am still learning the ins and out around here. I mostly dwell at Vepr.org, since I'm a vepr 12 guy (for now....looking for the first excuse to come to at least own both) and lets just say the rules are pretty lax around there. Is there a longform set of other forum rules somewhere, just so i don't unwittingly break any more? also, is it frowned upon to post links to vepr.org threads? just today I saw a question in the Vepr-12 section and wanted to link a verp.org thread that answered it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 The rules are posted when you create a membership here.. you have to agree to them to create an account.. but no one reads that junk... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Info from Shot Show, it is Chinese Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 pedal2alloy, on 26 Feb 2016 - 7:36 PM, said:Info from Shot Show, it is Chinese We've known, for quite some time now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VforVandetta 42 Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 The rules are posted when you create a membership here.. you have to agree to them to create an account.. but no one reads that junk... I mean...that's cool... Can they be referenced again? Like say...a rule book...? Or is it a one shot deal at signup? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?app=forums&module=extras§ion=boardrules Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VforVandetta 42 Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Thank you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Is the Chinese DDI 12 gage shotgun 922® compliant? Or is that non relevant? Edited March 1, 2016 by HB of CJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGL 530 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Is the Chinese DDI 12 gage shotgun 922® compliant? Or is that non relevant? It is only 922r compliant with magazines holding 5 rounds or less. 100% Chinese manufactured, so no US parts out of the box. If you want to use mags larger than 5 rounds, you'll need to start counting/swapping parts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 So anything over 5 (8?) rounds would be a no no until somebody figures out the 922® US Parts count to make it legal? Might be a deal breaker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGL 530 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 So anything over 5 (8?) rounds would be a no no until somebody figures out the 922® US Parts count to make it legal? Might be a deal breaker. That's right. The propriety trigger system means that it won't be as easy as it is on the Saigas. I think I remember David Fillers (owner of DDI) suggesting a U.S. pistol grip, U.S. Stock, and US magazines for compliance, but be sure to do your own homework and don't take this as legal advice. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Would the receiver extension or buffer tube count? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Is the Chinese DDI 12 gage shotgun 922® compliant? Or is that non relevant? It is only 922r compliant with magazines holding 5 rounds or less. 100% Chinese manufactured, so no US parts out of the box. If you want to use mags larger than 5 rounds, you'll need to start counting/swapping parts. And the self contained trigger pack may mean that it has different spacing than existing AK trigger groups.... We also don't know if the puck diameter, or gas block threads are consistent with S12. Would the receiver extension or buffer tube count? The parts off of the list are the stock. If you have any significant part of your stock which could be considered to be imported, you don't want to count as having a US stock. If you put on a US made buffer tube and stock, You should be safe to count the stock as US made for compliance purposes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 So then with a 1) USA made buffer tube, (receiver extension tube) and a USA butt stock of whatever configuration and a 2) USA made pistol grip and a 3-4-5) USA made mags counting as 3 parts then that would add up to 5 USA parts? Got it. Would that be enough USA parts to be 922r compliant? If the total needed 5 or 7? Or am I making this too confusing? Dunno. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 The parts count may be different due to the trigger pack, or it may not. Depends on how the ATF desk flunkie had his coffee that morning. But probably add a US muzzle device and forend to be safe. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) 1) Butt stock group, 2) pistol grip, 3-4-5) mag, 6) fore end and 7) muzzle whatever and we may be good to go. 7 USA 922R parts. Got it. Seems doable. When will this shotgun become available? Very interested. Also wondering how that cool Maine video was legal to make. Does he have a SOT license? Showed him with high cap box mags and a drum in the shotgun. I am left handed and this may be an advantage. Also the switchable safety seems neat. Edited March 2, 2016 by HB of CJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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