stiletto raggio 20 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I found this pic on ARFCOM and had read about a similar conversion on this forum. It is a Sidewinder drum, formerly produced by Knoxx, converted for use in the Saiga 12. It seems to me that all that is necessary to bring this to market is some very basic reverse-engineering. Advantages? Much shorter than a 10 round stick, and because it sticks out only to the right, it can be used with the stock folded to the left (and other drums will not allow folding stocks to be completely folded. Does anyone here have one of these converted drums? I would like to know about reliability and user dynamics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gunfixr 76 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 That's actually something I have been thinking about for a couple months now, wondering if it could be done. Your post tells me it can, so all that's left is for me to try. I don't know when, though, I'll get to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted October 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 It is on this page, about 40% of the way down. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&...8418&page=3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Buried down deep in the forum here I'm sure that thread still is around. IIRC there were two drums converted, 50% success rate (At least from that one thread, can't say about overall) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
headshot 52 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 You have to construct a new feed tower for it to work. Its a pretty intensive mod. It would work with less mods in my OWS SPS-12. I've been lookin for a cheap one to modify. The feed is the same, so I would just have to reverse the mount. Heres a pic of my OWS SPS-12: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 If you just want to be patient for awhile, Chaos is working on the same thing basically. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted October 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Tracking Cameron's project, but it is not the same thing. A key point to me is the ability to fold the stock completely. Cameron's design (or at least the sketches he has posted) is a traditional circular design. Given the outside dimensions he posted, a folding stock would not be able to folded completely with the drum inserted. It seems that an offset, "snail drum" design like the Knoxx is the only way to get around this problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvhanh20 1,052 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Tracking Cameron's project, but it is not the same thing. A key point to me is the ability to fold the stock completely. Cameron's design (or at least the sketches he has posted) is a traditional circular design. Given the outside dimensions he posted, a folding stock would not be able to folded completely with the drum inserted. It seems that an offset, "snail drum" design like the Knoxx is the only way to get around this problem. Your right about the snail design and folding stock thing, but that displaces the weight to one side, The Knox Drum wasn't designed that way because they wanted to make room for a folder, but because its less trickier to design, and make function right. That would make for a good poll, Drum centered, or snail for a folder!!! I actually do have snail design, but like the center design better! But on this issue, I would like what everyone has to say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted October 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 As requested, a poll. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=30328 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KINGFISH 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Tracking Cameron's project, but it is not the same thing. A key point to me is the ability to fold the stock completely. Cameron's design (or at least the sketches he has posted) is a traditional circular design. Given the outside dimensions he posted, a folding stock would not be able to folded completely with the drum inserted. It seems that an offset, "snail drum" design like the Knoxx is the only way to get around this problem. Your right about the snail design and folding stock thing, but that displaces the weight to one side, The Knox Drum wasn't designed that way because they wanted to make room for a folder, but because its less trickier to design, and make function right. That would make for a good poll, Drum centered, or snail for a folder!!! I actually do have snail design, but like the center design better! But on this issue, I would like what everyone has to say. When will the Chaos drum be released? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stiletto raggio 20 Posted October 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Dear God, it has begun. I am sure Cameron will let all of us know when his drum is ready for release. I am anticipating it, too, but we don't need to do to Cameron what so many people did to Mike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KINGFISH 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Dear God, it has begun. I am sure Cameron will let all of us know when his drum is ready for release. I am anticipating it, too, but we don't need to do to Cameron what so many people did to Mike. Oh God...Please forgive me.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvhanh20 1,052 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Dear God, it has begun. I am sure Cameron will let all of us know when his drum is ready for release. I am anticipating it, too, but we don't need to do to Cameron what so many people did to Mike. Oh God...Please forgive me.. Its cool guys, first the dynamics between the anticipation of the MD20 and the Chaos M1210 are totally different, people had already put their money down, thats not my setup with this project. As far as when will they ship, the drum is still in the design stage, shooting for a prototype by mid Dec. Thats about all I can really say at this point! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KINGFISH 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Dear God, it has begun. I am sure Cameron will let all of us know when his drum is ready for release. I am anticipating it, too, but we don't need to do to Cameron what so many people did to Mike. Oh God...Please forgive me.. Its cool guys, first the dynamics between the anticipation of the MD20 and the Chaos M1210 are totally different, people had already put their money down, thats not my setup with this project. As far as when will they ship, the drum is still in the design stage, shooting for a prototype by mid Dec. Thats about all I can really say at this point! Thanks Cameron, Godspeed!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan 0 Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Im looking forward to this, good luck!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 In 2005 a user named Flogger combined a Knoxx drum and a top of a 5 round mag as a feed tower. It looked like it would work, but apparently there was a problem with the dummy rounds, which are actually the follower, not being able to smoothly transition into the feed tower (piece of mag). I thought that all you would need is a metal mag to make into a feed tower and it would work. There might have also been a problem with the amount of spring tension available from the Knoxx drum. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...p;hl=knoxx+drum go down to post #15 Also back then, it was taboo to use the term "drum" on this site Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reverendfranz 160 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 the feed angle and lips are completely wrong, but several metal .308 mags have plenty of room in them to serve as a starting point for a feed tower. I also would like to be able to completely fold the stock while loaded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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