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OUCH! The Rambo comment ruffled some feathers. And I did not ask or care if anyone is a marine or not. My cousin was a marine and he couldn't whip my sister. And now the army and marines are going to war! Calm down boys. There's still an ongoing war that hasn't been won yet! Seriously...I have nothing but respect for the military and your service. The comments were not directed toward anyone personally. Owning a weapon and knowing how to properly use it and when to use a weapon is of the upmost importance. And a weapon does not make one a tough guy...even the want to be Rambos. With a fir

Mooseman started a thread back in December titled "round gouging on 308". The last post was December 23rd. Look back a couple of pages on this forum and you will find the thread. He included pictures of a damaged cartridge. He also included pictures of the bolt and what he polished/ground to make the firearm run smoothly. My Saiga was doing the exact same thing his was. He chose to fix his firearm himself and I chose to send mine back to RAAC for repair. RAAC has admitted some 308 Saiga firearms have a problem with an unfinished bolt. This may or may not be the problem with your firearm. Perh

Good post quikz! I also agree with SOPMOD! I paid approxiately $550.00 apiece for both my Saiga 308-1s. I would have like to have paid less but I am still very happy I purchased them. If you want something and can afford it then buy it. I have several friends who always talk about buying a firearm and then kick themselves when the prices climb. The Saiga-12 is one that I myself screwed up on and didn't get one when the getting was good. My local FFL cannot even get one from his distributors now. My local FFL just got back from the shot show in Florida. He said the gun industry was considering

I should add that S&H was paid both ways by RAAC. Return shipping was ups ground. I did not need anything special to return the firearm to RAAC. I simply turned the original box inside out. Wrote RAAC's address on the box and taped it up. I took the box to the post office and gave them the shipping number supplied by RAAC. I did not tell them it was a firearm and they did not ask. The rifle was promptly returned. I was not home and the firearm was left on the front porch. In hindsight it may have been better if the ups man had left a note and I could have driven to Vincennes and picked the

I'll second the high praise of RAAC and "Clyde". I didn't know he was the owner but he was very courteous. I had to send my first Saiga 308-1 back for warranty work. Raac sent me a shipping number so I was not out a single penny for S&H. The firearm was repaired and returned within about 7-10 days. I recieved a $20.00 coupon plus a new factory 8 round magazine and (2) drink holders. Most importantly I was treated respectfully and RAAC stood behind their product!

Ak's are not immune from Murphy's Law. The more moving parts then the more that can go wrong. On average an Ak will fail before a properly made Enfield or Mauser 98. Still, if the SHTF I would grab one of my ak's before any of my AR, CETME, SKS, or military bolt rifles. Nothing wrong with any of the beforementioned weapons...I appreciate and enjoy them all.

I have (2) Saiga 308-1s. The first I purchased had to be sent back for warranty work. It jammed! Yes...ak's are not magic...they will jam. I also own (2) romanian ak's and (2) yugo underfolders. I owned a older su-16. It never jammed once. I traded it for a nib su-16ca. It jammed constantly. Then I switched to a different brand of 30 round magazine. It still jams 1-2 times every 50-75 rounds. I think it has something to do with the forward deflecting charging handle. I'll fix that. However, when I use the original 30 round magazine I kept in the buttstock it will still jam constantly. That rem

I understand your frustration. It's disappointing. From vehicles, to computers, to firearms and everything in between, I've had brand new products that needed repairing. It's that Murphy's Law thing! I hope RAAC repairs your firearm to your satisfaction. It sure appears that your Saiga is suffering from the same ailment mine had. The remedy is easy and re-boxing the firearm was only a 5 minute job. These keep going up in price and one member on this forum predicts this time next year these rifles may cost upwards of $1000.00. I tend to agree with him.

I've already made the leap! I purchased (2) 16.3 Saiga 308-1s in the last 3-4 months. I liked the first Saiga so much I went ahead and bought a second. I have other ak's (AKM's is probably more correct). (2) romanian wasr-10/63s and (2) yugo underfolders. Maybe my concerns are unfounded but the Saiga 308's do not appear to be as heavily constructed as the yugo ak's. Seeing as to how the Saiga's fire a much more powerful round I was trying to glean information how they held up as opposed to their 7.62x39 cousins. The romanians are not nearly as tight as the Saigas but the yugos seem to be const

That is different from my Saiga's. With no cartridges loaded in mine the bolt cycles pretty smooth. Much smoother than my Romanian WASR. I have (2) Yugo AK underfolders and both my Saiga's feel more like them. The Romanian has sticking points. I'm certainly no expert and I was only relaying my own personal experience with my Saiga 308. I'm sure the good folks at RAAC will be able to tell you how to remedy the problem or fix your firearm for you. I hated to part with my 308 but it was back in no time at all. I have a lot of firearms and I have been a bolt guy forever but I must admit my 16' 3

By the way AK86...where the red arrow is pointing to in your illustration is where my first saiga 308 was denting and occasionally ripping open the cartridge cases.

When my first Saiga 308 was jamming the charging handle was difficult to move back and forth while manually loading or unloading cartridges. This was due to the third locking lug on the bottom of the bolt dragging the top cartridge in the magazine. I bought a second 308 Saiga and although I have not measured them the bottom locking lug on that bolt looks shorter than the first one (meaning it does not protrude down as far). Now, both rifles do leave faint drag marks on the top cartridge of the magazine but they do not dent them. The first 308 Saiga, before being sent back to RAAC, did nick the

One thing you might check is the fired cases themselves. When I got my first 308 saiga a few months ago I took it out and fired 145gr silver bear through it. I had several james and one time it jammed so bad the top of the case was gouged and powder was pouring out. I contacted RAAC and they told me the bottom of some of the 308 bolts were not polished/ground correctly. This caused the bolt to cycle very roughly and even damage the top of rounds in the magazine. Do a search of round gouging and the topic should come up. look at some of the fired round cases or try to hand cycle some rounds thr

Before purchasing the Saiga 308 I was contemplating the VEPR. The availability of Hi-caps and the price of the Saiga 308 sold me. Still, I am curious as to how the 308 Saiga holds up over time. From what I understand the VEPR's have a thicker receiver and rumored to have a stronger trunnion. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge concerning the durability of this firearm? The design was basically built around the 7.62x39 and stories of AK's with 50,000 to 100,000 rounds being fired through them abound on the internet. But, the 308 is a totally different animal. I would love to hear from own

Talent...perhaps! She looks 12 years old. I used to drag guys off to jail for that.

Across the hood of my pickup at approximately 100 yards my first Saiga 308-1 printed 3-4 inch groups. A rolled up jacket was used for stability and 145 Silver Bear was the ammunition. I emptied an 8 round magazine per group. This is the shooting position I find myself in while chasing coyotes around the farm. I'm sure a scope would improve things but putting a scope on an AK design just doesn't fit with me. To be honest the front sight on the Saiga is a bit too thick for any kind of distance accuracy through my eyes. If I want exacting precision I have a Savage .223 and a Browning Varmint in .

The receiver on both of my 308-1 Saiga's are marked .308 Winchester and 7.62x51. I shoot both types of ammunition with no problems. People far more knowledgable than I on the matter state the NATO 7.62x51 is loaded to a milder level than the commercial .308 Winchester. The numbers 50,000psi for the 7.62x51 as opposed to 62,000psi for the .308 seem to get tossed around a lot. If this is indeed true then it would seem to indicate the 7.62x51 would be a little easier on the rifle than the .308 winchester. As for the estimated service life of a Saiga 308...well...I have no idea. Does anyone know o

An AK is sort of like a blowjob. I can't remember ever having a "bad" one but some are more memorable than others!

I was wanting to ask the same question segasaiga but I figured I would get flamed. I did a internet search on "m" series and could not find anything definitive. The firearm pictured on Centerfire Systems retail webpage (and the specifications) were exactly the same as the 308-1's I recently purchased. As for the price increase that was to be expected. I purchased (2) Romanian WASR-10's and (2) Yugo underfolders a little over a year ago and the Romanians are bring over twice what I paid for them. The Yugo's are bringing 50% over what I paid. Such is the nexus of politics mixed with demand and s

Speaking for myself and the reason I questioned RAAC personnel about the availability of 308 Saiga rifles was the announcement on Centerfire Systems webpage a few weeks ago stating backorders for the 16.3 308 Saiga were not being accepted because the firearm had been discontinued. Since RAAC personnel have assured me the firearms are still being produced I'll simply treat the information I read on Centerfire Systems webpage as an honest mistake. Nonetheless, I had my local FFL place several calls to different distributors attempting to find one. Better safe than sorry! I'm not sure if the disc

Not trying to be pushy but I was wondering if any more information was available concerning possible release date of the Saiga 308 FAL magazine adapter. I recently purchased (3) 25rd SureFire magazines and was rather miffed to pay $120.00+ for non-metal magazines. Perhaps the Surefire mags are durable enough but I would be far more comfortable with proven FAL magazines. The current political environment lends itself somewhat favorable to another possible restriction of hi-cap magazines available to the American citizen and purchasing a decent supply of FAL magazines would be much easier on my

Who's Chicken Little and why are the relaxation police after him!

I posted a similar answer in another thread but I'll add comments here also. I purchased a 308-1 approximately 4-6 weeks ago. The 308-1 had to be returned to RAAC for some bolt polishing work. While conversing with RAAC personel I asked why the 308 Saiga rifles had dried up on the market. I explained I saw mention of them being discontinued on a couple of retail websites. A gentleman named "clyde" from RAAC assured me the 308 saiga rifles were still very much in production but supply could not meet demand. He also advised RAAC was concentrating on a large shipment of shotguns due to be arrivin

I hand cycled a couple of magazines full of cartridges through the new 308-1 using the 8 round magazine which came with the first firearm and the one supplied with the new 308-1. None of the cartrides showed any significant creasing or gouging. The protrusion on the bottom of the new 308-1's bolt appears to be smaller than the one on the bolt of the first firearm which caused all of the trouble. As soon as I get a chance I'll actually fire the gun to make sure it is functioning properly. Fortunately for me the gun seems to be mechanically sound. Unfortunately a side by side comparsion of a fun

I'm going to travel into Vincennes and pick up my new Saiga 308 in about an hour. As RAAC has already polished the bolt on the first firearm it will not do much good to post a picture, however, if the new firearm also gouges cartridges I will take pictures of both bolts side by side so we can compare them. RAAC owned up to the fact that some 308 model guns were doing this. I know the 308 model has a third locking lug as opposed to the 223 and 7.62x39 models and it would seem reasonable this would account for the 308 models problem. As the bolt head comes out of battery it twists clockwise and