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Found 14 results

  1. GreenDefense

    Current advice on 3" .410 shells

    I apologize in advance for the lengthy post. I'm a Saiga newbie and trying really hard to not become frustrated on the ammo front. I'm looking for current advice on 3" ammo for my lightly used Saiga .410. For my rig, I have: Two 15-rd 3" SureFire Gun magazines One 30-rd ProMag 3" Drum that works well One 4-rd 3" factory magazine I had a heavy handful of 3" Remington and Winchester game loads and I burned through them verifying the weapon and all the mags worked properly. Everything worked well, with the gas setting on 1. So lately I've been searching for .410 shells from online retailers (local shops don't carry hardly any 3"). And I've scoured most of the posts here for research, but the info is scattered, inconsistent, and much of it is several years old. So here are my questions that, hopefully, someone with a .410 can advise me on: 1) Best ammos Does anyone have 3" shell recommendations for: - steel shot (game/target) - buckshot - "plinking" - slugs - And what's the final word on Winchester PDX1? 2) Best 3" .410 retailers I've been searching all the regulars (AmmoToGo, Midway, Cabela's, Sportsman's Guide, CheaperThanDirt, BulkAmmo, Natchez) none of them have a terrific selection of 3" in-stock. And I'm SHOCKED at how expensive .410 has become. Who's your go-to? 3) The 2-1/2" shell dilemma With my hardware, will they work? Can they work? Do any specific shells work? I ordered a case of cheaper Italian (B&P) game loads for low-cost shooting just as I get a feel for the weapon, and wouldn't you know it, the things won't feed properly. It seems the diameter of the brass is too wide (yes, wide) to consistently slide into the chamber with a manual cycle. I'm running a 75% failure-to-feed rate with them. The shells are also too long for the 15-rd mags (they measure a full 2.75" crimped). The drum took them, but roughly 1 in 3 won't even fully slide in the chamber from a manual cycle. I've complained to Natchez and to B&P, but I'm not holding my breath for a refund. I also made a foolish error and accidentally ordered a case of 2-1/2" Winchester PDX1 shells instead of 3". Is there any hope for me making use of these? Or am I SOL? I'd be willing to buy 2-1/2" mags (if I can find them), but aren't even sure they'd work with my weapon or with PDX1 shells. After the PDX1 mishap and the bunk Italian shells, I'm gun shy (pardon the pun) and can't afford to lose any more coin to shells that won't work. I never thought the ammo side could be so frustrating. I really was excited about finally getting a Saiga .410; but with all the ammo mishaps and risks of losing even more money, the whole experience has become a real buzzkill. Many thanks in advance for your guidance and expertise.
  2. JonWienke

    Drum Mag Question

    I have 2 of the MD-20 drums, and while fun, they are quite bulky. I was thinking about getting a couple of the Promag 12-round drums to see if they offer a better tradeoff between bulk, weight, and ammo capacity. Can you insert a fully-loaded Promag drum with the bolt closed, or are they like the MD drums, where the bolt has to be locked to the rear before you can seat a fully-loaded mag?
  3. UPDATE 07/23/14: EVERYTHING IS SOLD Hi guys, I am looking to sell the following Saiga-12 drums. NOTE ABOUT SAIGA-12 DRUMS: These drums are designed for the Saiga-12 models without a mag well only and WILL NOT WORK in the mag well equipped Saiga-12s, Vepr-12s or Cantamount Furies. Due to the liberal manufacturing tolerances causing slight variations in mag catch sizes between different Saiga-12 weapons, both MD Arms and ProMag ship their drums with generously oversized locking lugs and fitting instructions which involve filing. They might lock into your gun as they are or they might require a bit of filing off the top of the locking lugs until able to lock in. In addition, these drums are designed for the standard sized 2 3/4" shot shells only and will not work with either 3" inch shell or certain cheap foreign made 2 3/4" shells, which are slightly longer than normal. Both MD Arms and ProMag offer very generous lifetime warranties for their drums. I CANNOT ship these drums to the following states: Alaska California Colorado District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois Maryland Massachusetts New Jersey New York WTS: MD Arms Saiga-12 20 round Drum with Two Extra Covers (NEW, in original packaging) Pic: Brand new, unopened drum that I've had sitting around. The asking price is: $90 (shipped) MD Arms Saiga-12 20 round Drum (USED, in excellent condition. Drum only) This one is used, but not a whole lot. Works perfectly, but has a few unavoidable minor scuffs on the body. As per MD Arms' instructions, I had to file the locking lug until it locked in my gun. Chances are, it will fit perfectly in your specific weapon, but if your mag catch is larger than my S-12's, you might have to file the locking lug a bit more until the drum locks in. However, if your mag catch is smaller than mine, the drum will have a little bit of play when it's locked in, which isn't a big deal. Pics: The asking price for this one is: $70 (shipped) ProMag Saiga-12 12 round Drum (LIKE NEW, drum only) This surprisingly good quality and perfectly sized "mini drum" is in mint condition. I've tested the manual feeding, but never had a chance to take it out to the range. It locked in perfectly in my gun, not requiring any fitting (your results may vary). Pics: Asking price: $60 (shipped) SPECIAL PACKAGE DEALS: Both (2) MD20 Drums: $150 (shipped) All three drums (x2 MD20s & x1 12 rd ProMag): $205 (shipped) PAYMENT AND SHIPPING DETAILS: Payment via discreet PayPal. Drums will be shipped via USPS First Class. I pack my stuff well and ship the next business day or sooner. Post "I'll take it <item name>" as a reply here and PM me to buy something. Thanks for looking!
  4. SOLD Hi guys, I have a Promag 10 round Saiga-12 drum for sale. It's in like new condition. It's been taken out of its packaging, loaded and inserted into my shotgun just one time, but I never even took it out of the house. I threw away the packaging, so you get only the drum and the fitting instructions paper slip. It didn't need any fitting for my gun. It's covered by ProMag's life-time warranty. I will not ship this drum to the following places: Alaska California Colorado District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois Maryland Massachusetts New Jersey New York Asking price: $55 $50 (shipped USPS). Payment through discreet PayPal. I pack my stuff well and ship within a business day. First person to post "I'll take it" and PM me, gets it. I will added some pictures later. Thanks. Pictures: Size comparison with an AGP 10 rd stick mag:
  5. Hi guys, I have always kind of wanted to get a 12 round "nutsack" drum for my S-12. Saw one on sale at Cabela's and picked it up. Long story short: after I've appropriated it and threw away the packaging and receipt, I discovered that it's actually a 10 round drum! I had not idea that they made these! Any way, I've now picked up a 12 rounder at an LGS and instantly noticed that it's EXACTLY the same size as the 10 rounder. WTF is the point of 10 rounders, anyhow?!? Legality in some states? So, the question is, since they are the same size, might it be possible to mod the 10 rounder to take the extra two rounds? Thanks!
  6. STOCK FINALLY CAME IN! Mosin Nagant 91/30, with turned down bolt handle, rail tapped and mounted, and Archangel Stock. Shoots very nice. Currently the barrel is floated, but I'm going to have to see if it shoots better with the barrel fixed. Promag sent a block to fix the barrel just in case I've got one of the 10% that shoot better w/o the barrel floated. Please don't tease me about the scope. It's a cheapy I traded for, until I can afford to get the Nikon Prostaff 9-9x50mm. I'm all out of gun funds in the budget for the year, so looks like I can't get that 'till Taxmas. Haven't sighted in the scope yet, fired it w/o the rail on just to see how I like the stock. Very nice indeed. Like I said, I'd post pics when it was "done":
  7. All prices include shipping (USPS) to CONUS. I prefer PayPal gift option (no fees) Trades considered for Promag S12 mags, Promag S.308 mags, Tapco (AK not Saiga) collapsible stock in black. PM's are ok for questions but an "I'll take it" gets it. Leftover S.308 trigger parts including BHO $5.00 Tapco sling attachment $5.00 Polymer rails, rail covers and sling loops $10.00 (SOLD) Ribbed AK dust cover $20.00 S12 thread protector (plastic) $2.50 S12 phantom brake/flashider $25.00 (SOLD) AK/SKS/SAIGA cleaning-tool kits $5.00 each( 4 left ) AMD-65 grips $10.00 per pair. AK hand guard set with rail $10.00 (SOLD) AK hand guard set smooth $15.00 Tapco S12 hand guard with rail $20.00 New Promag 30rd mag (x39) $10 Tan Tapco saw grip $10.00 I.O. AK grip $10.00 Saiga factory buttstock (filled with thermoplastic adhesive and SOLID) $10.00 NATO-length buttstocks from Century conversions (very solid) $15.00 each (BOTH SOLD) Tapco folder $20.00 Tapco T6 stock with grip for unconverted Saigas (buttpad not included) $30.00 Factory Saiga hand guard for .223 or x39 $20.00 Tapco fixed stock (Warsaw length) $20.00 (SPF) Holster for large frame autos with flap $10.00 Uncle Mike's Sidekick holster size 5 $10.00 each 7.62 x 39 laser boresighter $20.00
  8. I've heard of more expensive and elusive mags, but yet to have seen one. I've read a lot of forums and see almost nothing but positive feedback. I know them to be tough as nails and dependable, but I would like to hear YHO There are many types of mags, but few built like this 30-40 round arcuated staggered magazine, tough as tank, light as a feather. Are the Bulgarian Circle 10 manufactured magazines are considered the best polymer (manufactured from glass fiber reinforced polycaproamide PAS-30) magazines because they have a true steel mounting lug in the front and in the back. While also have an internal steel reinforcing rib going down the front of the magazine, and the waffle design giving you lots of grip even if it gets wet. If you have a 40rd bulgy snugly fit into place, and this lets you rest easy, then we have something in common, my friend. ~I've always heard people talk about circle 10's, but whats the difference between these and your standard run of the mill steel ak mags other than weight? ~Do you feel there is a better way to feed my hungry ak? ~Are all Bulgarian Mags created equal, or just those from the ARSENAL JSCo. in Kazanlak, Bulgaria? ~Bulgarian milsurp mag with bullet impressions, who makes these? ~Last and not least, is there a major design difference between the different generations? What do you think? Praise well deserved -or- just Hype? IYHO
  9. hammondd2000

    gun porn!!

    Received my new mags yesterday and i just finished fitting them.maybe I can get away from wife and see What these babies can do!
  10. Hey all, looking to sell a JTE Magwell with six modified ten round magazines ( 3 promag, 3 SGM) and one modified 5 round magazine for $310 dollars shipped. Ill post pictures once i have more time. payment through paypal only. happy selling guys.
  11. Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum and have a few questions... please excuse my lack of knowledge as I just purchased my saiga 12 a couple of days ago (literally). 1) I want to get a few 20 round drums.. I saw most people it seems recommend the MD20 vs. the promag drum? Is there any reason why? I couldn't find much information on it... I was thinking of using a slidefire stock would one be better for this than the other? 2) I was anxious to get my gun to the range after I bought it.. I fired some nobel sport LE buckshot (00 12 pellets) and it worked flawlessly. I didn't really understand that I needed to change the gas setting to #1 when shooting some slugs, and had a few FTEs... my question is, do you think I could of damaged my receiver from the hard recoil of the slug from firing 10 shots? 3) I'd like to put pistol grips on my gun, but I do not have much experience modifying firearms. Is it simple to do? Do I need to move the trigger guard forward and if so, is this something an amateur could do? Could I get some recommendations on which one to go with? I saw some people were using the ak47 pistol grips from "Engage".. 4) What's the cheapest most reliable ammo for buckshot? 5) Any other advice you could give a newbie like myself? Thanks so much for your time and looking forward to being a part of the community!
  12. New Saiga 12 owner here, and I picked up a couple of ProMag 10 round magazines. Like most, I am experiencing where the back of the magazine doesn't click into the release catch. I have read that they come with instructions but my magazines didn't come with any. I emailed ProMag, and here is the reply that I received... Okay, I tried pulling the magazine in tight, but that didn't work. So, if I am reading this correctly...I need to file the area just under the magazine catch on the back of the magazine? Like...increase the space between the bottom of the rear magazine catch and the metal clip on thet back that acts as the feed lips? I may be making it more complicated than it is, I just don't want to screw up a new magazine to where it cannot be used. Thanks for any help, I looked all over the place for exact instructions and came up empty. I am sure I am just missing it somewhere.
  13. Kind of amazed when I saw that Cabelas had these 10 and 20 round drums in stock: http://www.cabelas.com/product/ProMag-Saiga-Shotgun-Drum-Magazines/1318792.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dsaiga%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=saiga&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products#BVQAWidgetID
  14. TheDarkHorse

    Cut down Promag box 10's to 5's ??

    Back when these were first introduced, I invested in these when the price was still reasonable. Since then I have tried the various fixes to make them reliable. They are much improved, but still not 100%. I have come to the conclusion that ultimately the springs are not strong enough. I am planning to get a MDA drum (or two) but I don't want to part with the mags that I have so much time and money invested in. Question is, has anyone cut the 10-rounders down to 5's and did it fix the feed issues?
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